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CSM Malcanis what is your problem ?

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Katie Frost
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#41 - 2013-07-09 06:52:16 UTC
I suppose the OP prefers the type of CSM Rep that will write out a wall of text in a politically correct manner which, at the end of the day, can be summarised by just one word: "bullshit".

However, you will feel all fuzzy and warm about the way in which it was written, not realising you are gulping up the same crap. It's quite refreshing to have a CSM Rep that just calls it as it is.
Looser Eto
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#42 - 2013-07-09 07:30:48 UTC
OK let's see:

1.
CSM Malcanis is a seasoned EVE player and has been voted by the "veteran" pool

2.
Majority of veteran players take advantage of and make money off newbies in a lot of ways:
- Trade window scams
- Margin trading scams (this is an exploit really)
- Numerous contract scams
- Isk doublers
- Mining "permits"
- ...and the list goes on

3.
On top of that, a lot of "veterans" engage in abusive or bullish actions
- Ship bumping
- Ganking (whilst abusing the game mechanics in HS)
- AWOXing with no possibility for anyone to defend
- Verbally abusing & harassing
- Using excessive profanities in in-game chat channels
- Destroying -at the blink of an eye- corporation economies that have taken months and years and lots of people to build
- ... and much much more

4.
CCP does not believe the above behaviors are wrong, because they fall under their own (indeed very unique) definition of "sandbox"

5.
Why would anyone expect Malcanis to be any different from the above? One has to "fit in" in order to survive, even more so to get CSM position.
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#43 - 2013-07-09 07:37:23 UTC
here's a tissue

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Akiyo Mayaki
Perkone
Caldari State
#44 - 2013-07-09 07:49:18 UTC
I don't see where Malcanis said anything wrong.

I believe you must have quoted the wrong thing.

No

Jarod Garamonde
Sons of Seyllin
Pirate Lords of War
#45 - 2013-07-09 07:55:17 UTC
This thread makes me realize my vote was not wasted when I voted for Malcanis.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Looser Eto
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#46 - 2013-07-09 07:55:45 UTC
Andski wrote:
here's a tissue


Says the carebear :)
Ionisaattori
Honest and Ethical Fair Trade Yachting Corporation
#47 - 2013-07-09 07:57:32 UTC
I too, play spaceship games on the internet and get insulted when someone calls bullshit.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#48 - 2013-07-09 07:57:58 UTC
Looser Eto wrote:

- Margin trading scams (this is an exploit really)


Yeah, it's really not.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#49 - 2013-07-09 07:58:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Looser Eto wrote:
OK let's see:

1.
CSM Malcanis is a seasoned EVE player and has been voted by the "veteran" pool

2.
Majority of veteran players take advantage of and make money off newbies in a lot of ways:
- Trade window scams
- Margin trading scams (this is an exploit really) No it's not
- Numerous contract scams
- Isk doublers
- Mining "permits"
- ...and the list goes on
Your first point is irrelevant. All of the things listed under point 2 are explicitly allowed and encouraged by the way the game is designed, although in general newbies have nothing worth stealing or scamming for.

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3.
On top of that, a lot of "veterans" engage in abusive or bullish actions
- Ship bumping
- Ganking (whilst abusing the game mechanics in HS)
- AWOXing with no possibility for anyone to defend
- Verbally abusing & harassing
- Using excessive profanities in in-game chat channels
- Destroying -at the blink of an eye- corporation economies that have taken months and years and lots of people to build
- ... and much much more
The first 3 listed come under my reply to the above. Verbal harassment and abuse, which generally comes from the victims, can be reported to CCP as can excessive profanity in PUBLIC chat channels. In reference to the destruction of corporation economies, that's a major selling point of the game.

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4.
CCP does not believe the above behaviors are wrong, because they fall under their own (indeed very unique) definition of "sandbox"
A sandbox without the occasional "surprise" is no sandbox at all. Their game, their rules, don't like it? GTFO

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5.
Why would anyone expect Malcanis to be any different from the above? One has to "fit in" in order to survive, even more so to get CSM position.
Nope, Malcanis was elected to the CSM platform by virtue of having a balanced platform and a vision for the future, he's an experienced player with a good knowledge of how both the game and the metagame work.

Welcome to Eve, CCP Wrangler once said that "EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world; it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.", if you can't accept the core philosophy behind Eve then you're playing the wrong game.

All of the above actions are allowed in Eve, because the game was designed to support them, and, at risk of repeating myself, newbies generally have nothing worth stealing.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

New Player FAQ

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GallowsCalibrator
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#50 - 2013-07-09 07:58:51 UTC
CSM member correctly calls bullshit on an idiot?

I see nothing wrong here.

Move along.
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#51 - 2013-07-09 08:03:42 UTC
Looser Eto wrote:
Andski wrote:
here's a tissue


Says the carebear :)


yeah you're most def not a carebear for crying about suicide ganking, bumping and scamming, which is the axis of evil for the highsec pubbie

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#52 - 2013-07-09 08:04:23 UTC
i get it you're Mad about your hulk being blown up repeatedly because you refuse to learn but please don't blame it on anybody but yourself ok?

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#53 - 2013-07-09 08:07:03 UTC
Andski wrote:
i get it you're Mad about your hulk being blown up repeatedly because you refuse to learn but please don't blame it on anybody but yourself ok?


What does this have to do with Saint Malcanis needing his mouth washed out with soap for using big people words?
El-ahrairah
Doomheim
#54 - 2013-07-09 08:07:12 UTC
don't know the guy
never voted for him
after reading this thread and seeing what he called bullshit on, I +1 the guy and I'd vote for him next time around if he stood again for CSM.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#55 - 2013-07-09 08:09:07 UTC
I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but calling bullshit aint one.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Hessian Arcturus
Doomheim
#56 - 2013-07-09 08:15:30 UTC
Looser Eto wrote:
OK let's see:

1.
CSM Malcanis is a seasoned EVE player and has been voted by the "veteran" pool

2.
Majority of veteran players take advantage of and make money off newbies in a lot of ways:
- Trade window scams
- Margin trading scams (this is an exploit really)
- Numerous contract scams
- Isk doublers
- Mining "permits"
- ...and the list goes on

3.
On top of that, a lot of "veterans" engage in abusive or bullish actions
- Ship bumping
- Ganking (whilst abusing the game mechanics in HS)
- AWOXing with no possibility for anyone to defend
- Verbally abusing & harassing
- Using excessive profanities in in-game chat channels
- Destroying -at the blink of an eye- corporation economies that have taken months and years and lots of people to build
- ... and much much more

4.
CCP does not believe the above behaviors are wrong, because they fall under their own (indeed very unique) definition of "sandbox"

5.
Why would anyone expect Malcanis to be any different from the above? One has to "fit in" in order to survive, even more so to get CSM position.


This is probably more to your liking then...

It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself.

Vera Denjuros
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#57 - 2013-07-09 08:17:13 UTC
Maldiro Selkurk wrote:
Malcanis wrote:


Bullshit. You got scammed and you're trying to get it declared an exploit rather than admit you got tricked.



You have CSM attached to your name and given your attitude, hopefully not for long!

Learn to post with some decorum or give up or position and go back to being just a regular player.

(btw, CSM Malcanis' post was not directed at me, but this kind of post by a CSM needs to stop)


Quote:
I won't be bothering to post something about you using the term bullshit for the very reason you are just some regular old joe-blow poster but CSM Malcanis has an official game recognized title and needs to be held to a higher standard.


Wait, you are posting this because he used the Word "bullshit"? weeioooweeioooweeiooo its the political correctness squad come to crap in your cereals. Swearwords that arent allowed on the forums are censored for a reason, dumbass. Swearwords that arent censored are allowed.

Whatever you may think about the CSM, they are just players and are held to the same rules as everyone else. They do not represent CCP in any way, they represent the playerbase... in this respect Malcanis was pretty much spot on. +1 for the guy.
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2013-07-09 08:20:42 UTC
Maldiro Selkurk wrote:
Malcanis wrote:


Bullshit. You got scammed and you're trying to get it declared an exploit rather than admit you got tricked.



You have CSM attached to your name and given your attitude, hopefully not for long!

Learn to post with some decorum or give up or position and go back to being just a regular player.

(btw, CSM Malcanis' post was not directed at me, but this kind of post by a CSM needs to stop)

aw what's the matter? is the internets too harsh on your soft-skinned frail heart?

Looser Eto wrote:
OK let's see:

1.
CSM Malcanis is a seasoned EVE player and has been voted by the "veteran" pool

2.
Majority of veteran players take advantage of and make money off newbies in a lot of ways:
- Trade window scams
- Margin trading scams (this is an exploit really)
- Numerous contract scams
- Isk doublers
- Mining "permits"
- ...and the list goes on

3.
On top of that, a lot of "veterans" engage in abusive or bullish actions
- Ship bumping
- Ganking (whilst abusing the game mechanics in HS)
- AWOXing with no possibility for anyone to defend
- Verbally abusing & harassing
- Using excessive profanities in in-game chat channels
- Destroying -at the blink of an eye- corporation economies that have taken months and years and lots of people to build
- ... and much much more

4.
CCP does not believe the above behaviors are wrong, because they fall under their own (indeed very unique) definition of "sandbox"

5.
Why would anyone expect Malcanis to be any different from the above? One has to "fit in" in order to survive, even more so to get CSM position.



OHGODLOL

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#59 - 2013-07-09 08:27:52 UTC
Andski wrote:
i get it you're Mad about your hulk being blown up repeatedly because you refuse to learn but please don't blame it on anybody but yourself ok?

Nomad, bro.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Alpheias
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#60 - 2013-07-09 08:32:04 UTC
All I can say is that it has been a really eventful week in EVE xD

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