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Make Slaves Usefull

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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#21 - 2013-06-29 00:15:22 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Please don't joke about this. In case you have not noticed. Slavery is still an issue in the RL world.


Pfft..

Next you will start whining about cancer jokes not being tumorous...


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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#22 - 2013-06-29 01:56:07 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Please don't joke about this. In case you have not noticed. Slavery is still an issue in the RL world.


Not to defend the OP's idea, but in case you haven't noticed EVE does not take place in the real world.


No it does not but do you honestly think that a mechanic that makes things build faster by using slavery or "forced labor" won't become extremely offensive?

I can see the headlines now "Major Online game encourages virtual slavery for advantages." Or "Video game turns players into virtual slave owners."

Uh huh.



In EVE: "Disgruntled player sells out entire alliance to the enemy... clicks button and ruins the fun and effort that thousands of players put into making it."
In RL: Being a traitor/rebel in RL is no laughing matter. Especially if it kicks off the "end" of an entire nation. People tend to get massacred over things like that.

Or...

In EVE: "Players can play the market with few rules to stop or limit them. If someone wants to rig the market... destroy commodity prices... or collapse the economy of a region... they can do it. And sometimes even make a profit off of it. All at everyone else's detriment."
In RL: Market manipulation and price rigging usually results in jail time (if the unwashed mobs don't get to you first)... mostly because it fucks over all the other "fat cats'" calculations and can potentially send large numbers of people into poverty (usually the middle class to poor people).

Or...

In EVE: "No place in EVE is safe. Even if you stay in an NPC corp to avoid war-decs, you can still be suicide ganked."
In RL:
- BANZAII!!!!! *plane crash*
- ALLAH AUACKBAR!!! *vest/car/plane bomb*

Or...

In EVE: "The Minmatar were once enslaved by the Amarr Empire for hundreds of years." Turns out the only race with a true "black" bloodline happens to be Minmatar.
In RL: The Trangular trade.


Pro-tip: Don't try to be politically correct in a game that laughs at it.

edit: now that I think about it... the only taboo that hasn't really been brought up in some form is baby eating. CCP!! This grave oversight must be corrected!!! Twisted
Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-06-29 03:44:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Commander Ted
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Please don't joke about this. In case you have not noticed. Slavery is still an issue in the RL world.

Since when are sensitive issues something that we must avoid all mention of at all costs.
I guess if we have to steer around sensitive issues I guess it is morally wrong to play any Grand Theft Auto Game.
I guess you shouldn't be able to play as terrorists and any cookie cutter FPS.
Since killing can be a sensitive issue I guess we should avoid that to.

Ya know what? Lets just stop making all video games because everything might offend somebody.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMjQAN9ZoxE

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097 Separate all 4 empires in eve with lowsec.

Oldgrimeyass
Downloaded Bears
#24 - 2013-06-29 17:55:07 UTC
I suppose we could get into the idea of making Scientists and Homeless useful as well. Scientists help on research and homeless collect passive income along with the exotic dancers. Very low income of course so you need millions
Goldensaver
Maraque Enterprises
Just let it happen
#25 - 2013-06-29 22:56:13 UTC
Oldgrimeyass wrote:
I suppose we could get into the idea of making Scientists and Homeless useful as well. Scientists help on research and homeless collect passive income along with the exotic dancers. Very low income of course so you need millions



Yes. A thousand times yes.But only if I can buy a pimp outfit in the Aurum store.
Yoshi Usoko
Mammon Federation
#26 - 2013-06-29 23:47:51 UTC
I'd contest that Amarrian slave labour should be the least effective... it's relatively well documented that uneducated, low-skilled slaves tend to work very hard, but still be less productive than a supported, educated workforce.


If we really wanted (and I don't think it's a good idea) some sort of "racial" effectiveness, I think it should go like this:

1. Caldari. Capitalist extremists, with the bottom line being the driving factor for their entire society. Educated and technically advanced, they are naturally, the most productive.

2. Gallente. With all their drones and stuff, you'd think they'd take first place. But them lazy, self-indulgent bourgeoisie can't be bothered, so even with their advantages, they only come in second.

3. Minmatar. They aren't much better than their slave brethren, with only slightly more education, but at least they're free and they've got a nice external enemy to focus on.

4. Amarr. As noted, slaves don't tend to make the most productive workforce.
Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-06-30 00:18:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Commander Ted
Yoshi Usoko wrote:


1. Caldari. Capitalist extremists, with the bottom line being the driving factor for their entire society. Educated and technically advanced, they are naturally, the most productive.

2. Gallente. With all their drones and stuff, you'd think they'd take first place. But them lazy, self-indulgent bourgeoisie can't be bothered, so even with their advantages, they only come in second.

3. Minmatar. They aren't much better than their slave brethren, with only slightly more education, but at least they're free and they've got a nice external enemy to focus on.

4. Amarr. As noted, slaves don't tend to make the most productive workforce.


The Caldari aren't capitalists, they are a totalitarian Corporatocracy which prevents free enterprise.

The Gallente are a capitalist society and all four empires use robots.

The Minmatar are a motivated free people who are capable of training themselves, keeping earnings as motivation, and specializing, a less developed Gallente.

The Amarr have slaves which are low productivity, but they are cheap and massive in numbers so you can put many of them to one low skill task. Slaves might be forced to do lots of work, but they are not motivated to do that work efficiently and will not work hard if they can as the only reason to work is to avoid punishment.

You don't know what your talking about.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097 Separate all 4 empires in eve with lowsec.

Bakuhz
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2013-06-30 10:54:34 UTC
Hakaimono wrote:
Like the Amarr do any work to begin with. All their ships are powered by slaves in hamster wheels anyways. Not perfect, hence the cap issues.


atleast it's green energy Cool

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Yoshi Usoko
Mammon Federation
#29 - 2013-06-30 10:58:43 UTC
Commander Ted wrote:
You don't know what your talking about.


I think your outraged-fluff-bunny has escaped. Also your prod-the-OP-for-lulz sensors are clearly down. Might want to look into that.
poepstreep66
United Electro-Magnetic Federation
Business Alliance of Manufacturers and Miners
#30 - 2013-06-30 10:59:00 UTC
Bakuhz wrote:
Hakaimono wrote:
Like the Amarr do any work to begin with. All their ships are powered by slaves in hamster wheels anyways. Not perfect, hence the cap issues.


atleast it's green energy Cool

Dont forget about methane exretion etc.
supernova ranger
The End of Eternity
#31 - 2013-06-30 15:46:37 UTC
Find Vitoc and apply it do a slave > get reintegrated slave > right click and hit send to amarr > amarr thanks you and takes the slave from your inventory in the station while in return giving you a negligible faction standing boost

Find cure and apply it to slave> get freedom fighter > right click and hit send to minmatar > minmatar thanks you and takes the freedom fighter from your inventory in the station while in return giving you a negligible faction standing boost
Oldgrimeyass
Downloaded Bears
#32 - 2013-06-30 16:44:05 UTC
supernova ranger wrote:
Find Vitoc and apply it do a slave > get reintegrated slave > right click and hit send to amarr > amarr thanks you and takes the slave from your inventory in the station while in return giving you a negligible faction standing boost

Find cure and apply it to slave> get freedom fighter > right click and hit send to minmatar > minmatar thanks you and takes the freedom fighter from your inventory in the station while in return giving you a negligible faction standing boost


So in this situation you have described. Do the homeless go both ways? Where they can become slaves or freedom fighters?
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
#33 - 2013-07-01 09:40:13 UTC
Oldgrimeyass wrote:
supernova ranger wrote:
Find Vitoc and apply it do a slave > get reintegrated slave > right click and hit send to amarr > amarr thanks you and takes the slave from your inventory in the station while in return giving you a negligible faction standing boost

Find cure and apply it to slave> get freedom fighter > right click and hit send to minmatar > minmatar thanks you and takes the freedom fighter from your inventory in the station while in return giving you a negligible faction standing boost


So in this situation you have described. Do the homeless go both ways? Where they can become slaves or freedom fighters?


If the answer to that is yes, couldn't they also go another way as well? How about homeless becoming rather niche exotic dancers?
Oldgrimeyass
Downloaded Bears
#34 - 2013-07-01 15:58:01 UTC
Tchulen wrote:
Oldgrimeyass wrote:
supernova ranger wrote:
Find Vitoc and apply it do a slave > get reintegrated slave > right click and hit send to amarr > amarr thanks you and takes the slave from your inventory in the station while in return giving you a negligible faction standing boost

Find cure and apply it to slave> get freedom fighter > right click and hit send to minmatar > minmatar thanks you and takes the freedom fighter from your inventory in the station while in return giving you a negligible faction standing boost


So in this situation you have described. Do the homeless go both ways? Where they can become slaves or freedom fighters?


If the answer to that is yes, couldn't they also go another way as well? How about homeless becoming rather niche exotic dancers?


The homeless could be like your adaptive meat bag while your scientists, marines, and janitors could be your specialized. Maybe they should all be paid on their amount of skill. With slaves not being paid at all
Hakaimono
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2013-07-01 19:48:59 UTC
More importantly, I demand that my exotic dancers actually dance....exoticly.
Open the CQ doors, I want my booze and whores!
Colt Blackhawk
Doomheim
#36 - 2013-07-01 19:51:31 UTC
Usefull minnie slaves?
Doubt it.
Maybe they could be cattle that gals eat for dinner?

[09:04:53] Ashira Twilight > Plant the f****** amarr flag and s*** on their smoking wrecks.

Oldgrimeyass
Downloaded Bears
#37 - 2013-07-02 01:18:50 UTC
Hakaimono wrote:
More importantly, I demand that my exotic dancers actually dance....exoticly.
Open the CQ doors, I want my booze and whores!


Your going to have to pay top dollar. Only the highest quality will be dancers the rest will be in the slave category
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2013-07-02 04:09:13 UTC
Yoshi Usoko wrote:
I'd contest that Amarrian slave labour should be the least effective... it's relatively well documented that uneducated, low-skilled slaves tend to work very hard, but still be less productive than a supported, educated workforce.


If we really wanted (and I don't think it's a good idea) some sort of "racial" effectiveness, I think it should go like this:

1. Caldari. Capitalist extremists, with the bottom line being the driving factor for their entire society. Educated and technically advanced, they are naturally, the most productive.

2. Gallente. With all their drones and stuff, you'd think they'd take first place. But them lazy, self-indulgent bourgeoisie can't be bothered, so even with their advantages, they only come in second.

3. Minmatar. They aren't much better than their slave brethren, with only slightly more education, but at least they're free and they've got a nice external enemy to focus on.

4. Amarr. As noted, slaves don't tend to make the most productive workforce.

You assume that all slavery requires slaves to be low-skilled and uneducated.

Maybe in menial tasks like farming (but even that requires education on what to do when where and why). For the most part though, a slave is taught everything they need to perform a given task, if that is maintaining the electrical systems of a ship or piece of equipment, then by george they will be taught as an electrician.

A slave is simply oen who bears limited rights within a society and a subservient role to members of a higher caste, no where in that description does it require them to be low-skilled or uneducated, in fact an uneducated slave is a TERRIBLE slave.

And no, education isnt what "makes them want their freedom", there are cases in actual cultures where a class that is beaten and downtrodden, even after being given education, still accept their subservient role, ebcause of a Hegemony, they believe that is the way things are and the way they will be, so they dont TRY and change it, that is how you enforce slavery, by educating them as to WHY they are slaves and WHY it will not change, then they believe it and no amount of skills or education will change their mind.


now im not promoting slavery, but from a practical standpoint, large-scale slavery for industrial purposes is exactly the same as just employing thousands of trained workers for the job, the difference being these workers have no requirements other than food/water/shelter (and providing thsoe 3 assets insetad of an actual pay also contributes to a passive non-revolutionary slave populace, heck, it was used against american workers in coal-towns for decades, they werent even slaves, but suffered horrible conditions and tied themselves to their company because the economic state the company put them in made them believe they could never get out).
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2013-07-02 04:11:44 UTC
Hakaimono wrote:
More importantly, I demand that my exotic dancers actually dance....exoticly.
Open the CQ doors, I want my booze and whores!

The face that you automatically assume exotic means strippers and prostitues offends me. strip-dancing uses exotic dancing, yes, but actual "exotic" dancing is centuries older and many of the styles actually have origins i cultures where being a whore/prostitute/stripper was a deaths entence, but being a dancer was highly respectable (at least among that region of the social ladder, so, not as respectable as a merchant, but definetly given mroe respect among the noble classes they entertained than the slaves/servants/laborers)
Oldgrimeyass
Downloaded Bears
#40 - 2013-07-06 18:06:07 UTC
How about the idea of being able to send slaves and other passengers to the planets to improve the work and production of PI goods as well as spaceship building?
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