EVE General Discussion

Hi, and thanks to keep looking on it. As I said, I had no big hopes on it but it seems that I will be wrong.

Still, you have to find a good balance between immersion and playability. Focusing to one only will impact the second one... And trying to find the tweaks who will make everyone happy is just impossible, because it don't exist. Each player is different, we don't have the same capacities or annoyances to deal with...

The classical warp sequence is the perfect exemple of what you should have done for the jump animation from the beginning. While warping, from the start until the ending, the camera is free and so permit us to balance any bad effect, and the parts of the warp who include the goddamn horrible camera shaking can be disabled by an option (and so, I disabled it). Even with this freedom and this option, the immersion is not broken.

You can try to tweak a few the jump animation, but it means that you still focus immersion on playability, and that is the bad way to go.

The best thing you can do, is to copy the logic used for the warp sequence : camera freedom and options. No need to remove the animation, just make it like the warp. I don't think that it is too difficult, and it is not like this would require to change anything in the detailed jump process that you wrote.

You guys are awesome.

For my part, I really appreciate your detailed reply CCP Sisyphus. I'm also grateful for all the work that I'm sure will go into ironing out all of the jump details. I hope I speak for at least a few others when I say that the reason we kept posting is that we love this amazing game/simulation that you have created. No game is as complex or harsh as EVE and you deserve a lot of gratitude for that.

Many thanks. Looking forward to spending many hours lost in your world once again.

Nope, its giving players that are requesting a VERY small feature to be added to compensate for the unwanted gate transition effects. A simple option to fade out - fade in would OPTIMAL. Don't look at giving players options as a cop-out.

That, in itself, is kind of a cop out... Did you guys learn NOTHING from the Incarna debacle?

Look, think about it this way... You could be the one to really get something done here. Instead of making up reasons why you shouldn't give players options, *YOU* could be the hero of the day, the go-to DEV for all our concerns because you're a go-getter and really enjoy receiving our feedback and providing support to a game world we all enjoy to inhabit...

Or, you could just give us more reasons why giving us options would be a cop out...?

It's easy, leave the anmiation but make the screen fade into black, and then fade back into the game.

no vomiting capsuleers, and you still have your precious animation.. done

Well, I will not say that the new animation doesn't look nice from the esthetical standpoint, at least for the first 5 times you use it. After that it's just meh. However the first thing that I noticed when I tried it out was: 'wait, wtf I can't see who else on the gate is jumping together with me into the next system'. This was such an integral part of my spatial awareness habit that I felt extremely disoriented the first time. Got used to it, but still miss the intel I could get by watching what was actually happening on the gate while my session changed and I was beamed into the next system. That's the biggest issue I have with the new animation. I'll list below the rest of the things that are buggy or annoying:

- can't see what's happening on the gate as I'm waiting for the session change to go trough
- why does the POV zoom in on the gate when the jump is activated? It's extremely disorienting.
- same as before, why does the POV zoom on the ship when we appear on the other side of the gate?
- the tunnel often is bugged, showing not forward but to the side, also with graphical bugs
- 5 min tunnel with TIDI. ssssssllllooooowwwwwwwww.
- lag when multiboxing
- we want to see the gatefires!


Solution IMO:

Well, I think there should be an option to turn off the tunnel. It can be turned on by default for all the noobs, scrubs and fashion victims, but give the possibility to more experienced players to turn it off. When the tunnel is turned off in the options we don't need anything fancy, just show the exit gate and what's happening there so we can see if someone is landing on gate, jumping and so on. No zoom-ins or zoom-outs same zoom as when we jumped (the player should be able to zoom in our out manually). If you say that displaying the progress box is not doable again (which I doubt should be a problem to implement in some form or another) then just having the 'jumping' word flash over the capacitor until the jump is completed is enough (like with all commands that are given). When the jump is complete and we appear again in the new system, the zoom level should be the same as what it was when we left the previous system.

I think all of what I've mentioned above should not be difficult to implement, it would not require too much additional coding since all the elements are already present in the game itself. I think it's a sensible and straightforward proposal that would satisfy everyone: noobs, fashion victims and 0wners, as well as show that CCP cares.

I love the new animation , please do not change , that is all

Pretty much this if an "off" button isn't allowed.

No one is fussing over the gate animation itself. It's the movement when entering it that is the problem. Remove the start of the entering the gate (and that isn't difficult that's just removing the frames of that part of the animation), and all's well. It's the jump movement that is sickening, not the animation.

The warp tunnel isn't causing the vertigo (it's dark and hardly noticed anyway). It's the camera panning of the gate jump at the beginning that is doing it, as it forces the camera angle to change in a sharp fast and very focused manner. It's the speed of the turning that's sickening.

The regular warp tunnel is one thing... this animation isn't anything like that....

I think that was his point actually, to get people to think about what the specific issues (differences) are, and then realize that those are the exact same points CCP is looking into fixing.

Camera swings abruptly, yes, needs some work and possibly the ability to retain camera control at least during the jump.

Tunnel speed, yes, could be causing some issues... and possibly the flashing.

One other thing that is different between the two effects is that a regular warp has a less abrupt launch and end... it's much more gradual. I doubt the same timing would work (it would take too long to get into and out of the tunnel) but something just a bit slower and smoother might make all the difference.

It would also be interesting if at some point in the accelleration/decelleration we had a glimpse of the current warp effect that almost immediately transitions into the darker, flashy Dr. Who effect... it would give the impression of greatly transcending traditional warp speeds. However, that might just needlessly compllcate things and might make the current issues worse... so take that with a grain of salt.