EVE General Discussion

And yet, oddly enough, as has been mentioned multiple times on this very thread, part of the problem is how rarely anyone else is telling those jerks to STFU and just shoot some stuff. And, once again, we have concern for the feelings of people who are causing the problem rather than any interest in stopping the problem.

If EVE can only be an "engaging fantasy world" when a player daring to identify themselves as having double-X chromosomes makes themselves a target for harassment, I question what qualifies as fun for you. And, frankly, if calling people out for blatantly discriminatory behavior gives them a "legitimate reason to dislike" me... who cares? They are already being a waste of biomass with their illegitimate reasons.

Maybe once, just to try it out, we could tell the guys being asshats to HTFU and just accept that they might have to fly their internet spaceships with some female players without freaking out about it - and make their own damn 'sammiches'?

Interesting point of view.

Lies, there are no Gay EVE online players because the community is hostile and homophobic (LOL).

+1, I've dealt with the same things in game...and out. Some people are so self centered that ANYTHING you do to them is somehow personal..

I must be doing it wrong, when that guy awoxxed my Vindicator in fountain, I should screamed "you just killed me because I'm black" in local, hoping someone from ccp would see it and give me my ship back :). Because they totally knew I was black, the char flying the vindi was BRUTOR of course

Asking where a person is located by means of which country in IRL is more of wondering what time zone they belong in which is quite important for a corporation. For example if a corporation was fully EUTZ it might not be suitable for someone who is AUTZ. Every corporation I have joined had a question relating what time zone you are in.

I haven't came across highly abusive EVE players before, I've came across female EVE players quite frequently and they don't play different to male EVE players.

In fact it can be quite difficult to recognize who is male and female in EVE, usually voice communications confirms this.

My wife plays EvE, although she plays no other game online, so I'll just make some observations and let you draw your own conclusions.

1: Before she ever began playing she asked that I put our voice coms over my speakers instead of my head phones. She enjoyed listening to the corp chatter in the back ground while doing other things. The eventually led to her feeling comfortable enough to start interjecting her own comments. While she is no shrinking violet, I believe she felt comfortable with this because none of us were big fans of letting voice coms get too stupid or crude.

2: Once she played the game for the first time, my son immediately killed her. This startled her, and then she laughed... and losing a ship has never bothered her since then.

3: She finds the game play engaging, the politics interesting, but finds ship fitting to be the most boring activity designed by man... and usually asks me to do it. She's a bit of a brainiac so no, it's not too hard for her in the slightest, it just bores her to tears. Ratting or industry of any type runs a close second. She had no issues participating in the occasional mining op (due to the high level of social interaction going on during them I believe) but usually opted to fly top cover instead of hauling or mining.

4: She is quite possibly one of the most aggressive and effective blaster boat pilots I have seen in this game, and a reasonably good scout (although she is a bit too aggressive to excel at it, she likes to get her hands dirty too much).

5: While she spent a bit of time getting her Avatar to look right when Incarna was released, she really doesn't mess with it. In fact, I tweak it more than she does. She does, however, like the idea of Avatar based game play because it would likely be linked with the social aspects of EvE.

6: While she is good natured about bantering (or if necessary shutting someone down) on a "mature and adult" level, it can get old for her (and the rest of us) very quickly. If the players I hang with were over the top crude or creepy that would put a big damper on the experience for her (and frankly for me as well). In this aspect I think many women that try the game are driven away by the very people that would most like them to play.


For what it's worth.

Please EVEmail me the killmail. I delight in streamer tears.


Also, for anyone still reading this thread, the behavior displayed above, is precisely what myself, and a lot of people, wish to avoid. Male or female, or anything in between, I do not tolerate that kind of thing. And by "not tolerate" I mean "shoot at".





Yep, got it in one sentence. Pixels aren't worth so much drama.

gremlins in my EVE gate /ignore -- sorry

Wow this is still going on.

I really don't know what's so hard about this. For me, Banter = OK, obviously directed personal attacks and discrimination = NOT OK, regardless of the target.

I understand that there are people that don't know the difference. I understand that humans, regardless of race, creed, color, gender, etc... have an equal potential to be amazing folks or total asshats.

For me personally, i would not join a corp or alliance that tolerates personal attacks and/or discrimination, or asshattery of any sort.. I've run MMO guilds before, and if i actually had the time to run a corp in this game, there would be a zero tolerance policy for that - ESPECIALLY if it was a PvP corp. My personal view is if you can't work together because of some dumbass bias, go elsewhere. Don't need the entire team getting blown up because someone can't put their corp before their own need to stroke their ego.

It really shouldn't matter what percentage of women play a game. This is like saying football is a 100% male sport, what can we do to up the women players? It's silly, This game is beyond tedius, this game has no interaction for vanity on your characters, this game was supposed to have more uses for your character than just your avatar and running around in a CQ. This game is beyond frustrating, a new player goes through hell losing their first few ships, it's probably the hardest part of keeping new players.

The game is not even remotely appealing to the opposite gender in a lot more aspects then one. Given I think the odds are higher than 4%, but there is no reason for women to identify them selves as females and lots of studies have proven they prefer not to be identified as female.

And it has a map so men (who everyone knows hate asking for directions) can still find their way home.

It's a gender equality wonderland.