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Not sure if this got talked about yet, to lazy to read through all of this so I just searched and couldn't find it.

What about starbase charters? They are not menctioned here, so I assume that they will not be a part of the fuel blocks, but will they still be needed for hi-sec POSes? Again I am assuming so, but confirmation would be nice. Thanks.

No planned changes to charters. You'll still need them separately from the fuel to run high sec POSes.

In the dev blog the mention star base charters will remain a separate item. So you high sec pos owners you need to load up the blocks and the charters as well.

I have a better idea.

Just make the online period longer. Instead of one hour per block (or group of blocks) make it two. Or one and a half. And then leave the fuel bay the same or whatever. Obviously it needs too be balanced, but that seems the obvious solution.

Wtf? Satisfactory? Simple answer, NO.
While faction towers have longer refuel cycle, it isn't a major factor for the highsec research industry.
Who are these people that you talked to and who interpreted it as such?

Fuel savings is the #1 consideration, without it, having a faction tower is meaningless.
Your only solution to increase bay size is poorly thought out since that translates to player effort - which leaves it as a subjective solution.
The inherent cost benefit for a faction tower should never be removed or watered down.

Strong suggestion : vary the block consumption rate (e.g. every 36hrs).

Other ideas (which shouldn't really be considered as it waters down the cost benefit) :
- give ability for faction towers to use any 4 types of fuel block (meaning it's not locked to any racial isotope types)
- unique ability to deploy 1x assembly array to manufacture fuel blocks, with it utilizing 0 PG and 0 CPU (require starbase to be online, shutsdown if re-inforced).

some ppl talk about BPCs...
will we buy faction fuel BPCs in faction LP store?

WTG on the first two entries

I like the fact that jump bridge PW are going away.
Timers on POS arrays are changing will make it easier to work POSes

HOWEVER POS fuels cubes are epic fail as written.

"We didn't do this ages ago because I couldn't see a good way to handle the handover until someone pointed out the (obvious) half-and-half solution, at which point I punched myself in the head for not seeing that earlier" (Grayscale).

That statement alone shows how little thought Grayscale put into this.

Here are a few problems
- You have totally misses the Sov bonuse for POS fuels.
- Building fuel cubes will take build slots that some 0.0 stations will not have (or be very limited).
- Limited build slots will mean PI will have to be shipped out to process to cubes then shipped back in.
- This does not make it easier for a POS manager to add the extra step to build cubes.

Here is what I suggest
- Scale the POS fuel timers for faction and Sov. So fuel will last longer if you have a faction or sov or both. That is "obvious!"
- Launch with a POS array that can build fuel cubes (or add that feature on an existing one).
- Sell punching bags at the Eve stone of Grayscales head...Ill like to punch it too.

Let me begin by saying I think fuel blocks are a great way to streamline fueling towers.

With that said this is a horrible implementation of it.

Why not have the BPO produce 40 fuel blocks per run from the same materials. Each block would be 5m3.

Then setup the towers like so.

Large = 40/hr
Large faction = 32/hr
Medium = 20/hr
Medium Faction = 16/hr
Small = 10/hr
Small faction = 8/hr

That is based on a 20% discount but you get the idea. If one batch of fuel blocks is a larger amount then everything can be made scalable. The faction towers are still cheaper. You could even scale it for the in between faction towers. Meaning Blood is 15% discount 36/hr and Dark Blood is 20% 32/hr. OR 10% and 15% if you think that is to high.

The only thing we lose is PG and CPU being different. The towers run wide open 24/7 which sucks but its manageable.

You are giving highsec POS tower owners a double hit. They pay more in fuel because they have to run max PG(I normally leave guns offline unless I'm wardeced) and their faction tower now costs full amount even though they paid out the ass to get it.

Making it more blocks per batch doesn't break anything. It's the same volume. It won't add to the database. A stack of 400 block vs a stack of 40 blocks should be almost the same database space.

It could also be a big help to WH POS users because at 5 m3 each they scale better for small loads in small ships.

From a logistics point of view and filling towers this is nice. Now as to the hw/lo issue would be nice if towers could dual fuel, either the fuel pellets or the old ratios.
Another thing those with sov and faction towers do enjoy fuel usage bonus so it costs less to run, this more than increased time is why it is done. This can either be fixed by increasing the number of blocks used to fuel the towers so their are no partial blocks used, increasing by a factor of 10 or making block sized using the materials of 10 then adjusting the number used will help.
If not this then possibly an increase in pg/cpu for faction towers and maybe give a similar bonus for people in 0.0 that hold sov.

This will cause a spike in pos fuel due to speculators so be warned speculation is already happening so my advice for pos owners is if you can buy all these materials now and then use an ammo array and make your own at the tower.

One other thing is please do different colors for the different races unless you do one fuel block and it needs one of the 4 ice types to make.

As a pos user love what you are doing to the cycle time for set up and tear down, as well as online/offline. Would love to have an online queuing process.

We use Faction Towers for lower fuel costs. So why should we use faction towers anymore?

What about the extremly more used Robotics for Large Towers? They are one of the most expensive fuelparts at the moment and you will need 4 / hour with this changes!!!