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Wow!


Im pretty excited I have to admit. I think this is a good change but more importantly I really like the new shift in attitude approach and engaging relationship of devs/players. I find myself shifting from being sad that the game that I love so much one in which I have made so many great friendships is dieing. Now I feel happy and hopefull for what is to come hoping that some of my friends will return and perhaps the game will attract new players.


CCP good show!

you could have just read the thread and found the posting that they are looking into this....

I don't think this is as good of a change as many of you believe. Expect this to increase your costs:

1) Fuel blocks - Nice concept. But, we still have to PI fuel and mine ice. And now, we have to manufacture blocks. Either we do that ourselves, adding steps to our fueling process or we purchase the blocks from someone else increasing our costs so they can get compensated. There is good news here, however. There's enough idiots in Eve to probably produce fuel cubes for below market value of the fuel components as is the case in the T3 production. So maybe the price increase will be mitigated.

2) Blueprints - are these going to be BPO's or BPC's. Either way, we now have an additional component to buy, regularly I would bet.

3) Increased fuel demands from faction towers overall increase demand of the entire market. There are a lot of faction towers. So, not only have faction tower operators received increased fuel costs but so has the rest of Eve to accommodate their increased demand.

4) There are no conservation methods available to fuel usage. I.E. You can't offline needless modules and save on ozone and heavy water. Typical of a tower is to have a small amount of cpu and pg unused as you have no module to only to use such a small amount. It's not a big savings or anything but now CCP is utilizing that for us and to a small degree increasing costs.

I'm not seeing how this is making so many people happy.

Another change to starbases I would love to is is the ability to anchor reactors anywhere rather than just 0.3 and below. Perhaps even just in 0.4 systems and not in high sec.

Sure, restrict moon mining to 0.3 and below systems, but this would allow industrialists to purchase moon goo from the market and run reactions towers to supply themselves with their own T2 components rather than being dependent on others to do it.

It will take 10 minutes to produce 4 Ice Block, so it will take 5 days to produce a month worth of fuel for a large tower

Great change CCP. I must say you are slowly starting to win my respect back.

Thank you.

Five second anchor timers? Glory glory hallelujah!

*ahem*

The only part of this I dislike is the loss of faction tower fuel use bonuses. Keep the numbers you've got, but have the fuel block recipe give 40 instead of 4. T1 towers use 10/20/40, tier-1 faction use 9/18/36, and tier-2 faction use 8/16/32. They're relatively round numbers, and you're keeping the bulk of their bonus(which is a big part of their current value) intact. The longer fuel duration is handy, I guess, but the real value is in the cost savings, especially with post-PI fuel prices.

Seriously though, the Mea Culpa expansion is shaping up to be a great one. Keep this up. Late's still better than never.

(Oh, and if you can give us an onlining queue for those still-long gun timers, that'd be awesome too)

All factions have LP stores. Problem solved.

Serious question that I don't think has been covered. Are you planning on removing the arbitrary 5 POSes a alliance (1 pr corp) pr system limit that is currently a leftover from the POS spamming days? Moving reaction chains is a nightmare currently because of this.

I haven't read past the first couple of pages but overall this change will increase industry costs. That's not to say I don't welcome them, but there is a cost increase.

Industry POSES do not use 150 ozone and heavy water, there are two types.. Research POS which consumes water, and production POS which uses ozone. They normally do not use both equally, and I've never really designed a POS setup which both are used at their maximum consumption. I actually think it's next to impossible, short of throwing up heaps of guns after your research POS is deployed. But a production POS you have no choice, it'll consume power, and lots of it and next to no heavy water.

Some food for thought...

• Normally in High-sec people offline defense/offense to save fuel costs - This is removed so you'll have a thousands more online MODS which I'm sure consume more server resources then offline mods. You will online them because you cost for having them online is no different then with offline so you might as well just run them online.


• Reduction in anchoring time will make POS warfare a little easier for the defenders. - Normally you may anchor lots of additional mods and keep on ready for an attack. This is no longer needed since it takes seconds to anchor. You can store all your mods somewhere and just deploy for corp and anchor when needed. Online time was also reduces making it even more attractive to simple keep an inventory of EWAR mods at your disposal.. You run out of gun.. OK load up on hardeners and EWAR annoy the attackers to no end..


• The Faction POS is now pretty useless, a normal POS would consume the same amount of materials at the same rate. Why use a 1-2billion ISK POS when you can use a sub 500mil ISK tower. Sure you have to fuel it a whopping SIX TIMES more per year, but really the cost of the Faction POS is now not worth it for industrial players.

Personally I don't have any real issue with the changes, but it seems like the only people who contributed to the basic concept lived in 0.0 and don't really handle POS logistics..

It's pretty obvious that not one single high-sec industrial players perspective was asked.
One block for a small per hour, but ignoring the cost increase but increased fuel time is not a concern for an industry player. Null sec - hell yeah they would want longer fuel times so that reward seems reasonable.
High sec care-bear cares not for this but cares about the bottom line..

Recommendation -
One run for Fuel makes 40 blocks, Small uses 10, medium uses 20, large uses 40. Reduce Tier 1 Faction by 10%, Tier 2 Faction by 20%, keep the Fuel bays the same size.