EVE General Discussion

This ^^

I am amazed that so many are lacking common sense. Maybe you all can learn a real lesson in EvE.

EvE is real.

Simply put, You are wrong.
The biggest advocater in this thread how this is a bad idea has self-admittedly never suicide ganked.

I've easily suicide ganked 80~ or so ships across 4 characters and think this is a great change.

Stereotypes are bad okay?

Because safety in highsec is what you create for yourself. It seems more and more common that people expect the game to keep them safe, when it is in fact they themselves that have that responsibility. Highsec is no different from any other kind of space in this regard, and that's what they are missing. It is this false sense of security I'm talking about: people who assume that they don't/shouldn't have to do anything to protect themselves because they are in “safe” space.

The best thing that can happen to these people is not to make the space they're in safer — it's to teach them how to make it safe. Why do you keep hearing the “the real carebears are in deep null” bitterwhine? Because it's true, because those people are part of groups who have made their space safe. Nothing beats the safety you create for yourself. Nor should it, imo — if you can't create that safety, you should be left with your arse hanging out.

Pandering to their false sense of security by fiddling with the mechanics they (incorrectly) think are there to make them safe will only make them even less inclined to create any actual safety for themselves and will thus make them less safe. They will engage in far more risk behaviour than before and get even more upset when it turns out that their behaviour got them killed.

This is why I think highsec safety needs to be rolled back: because as CONCORD and insurance have been adjusted over the years, people have just become more and more stupid in how they think about their own safety. Easing off on those adjustments would send the signal that, no, you are indeed not safe unless you do something about it yourself, and thus increase people's use of safety tactics and techniques. Making the space less safe will (seemingly paradoxically) make the people in it more safe (or, rather, more risk-aware, which leads to safer behaviour).

Three is iffy and you'll need to get lucky. Two is definitely possible to tank against (unless they get lucky with the die rolls… but on average).

And it's not about detecting some kind of link — it's about detecting a situation; noticing things that are not as they should be; noticing people who behave oddly; in short, about a healhty(?!) dose of paranoia…

Remember the old adages: it's not paranoia if they're really out to get you, and just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you.

Im starting to think people who post things like this arn't being entirely honest about reading this topic.

Quoting for prosterity.

So Tippia, them apples???

So suicide ganking becomes a tiny little bit more challenging. Not removed, just they no longer receive insurance money. Suicide ganking is brought a little bit more in line on where it should be and... grief/lulz players and gankers go ballistic flooding this thread with tears and screams of unfairness. Wow, the very same folks that preach "HTFU" and other such mantra.

Is it too soon if I say "C'mon folks, it's just pixels."?

It makes logical sense, because no police force would allow an insurance payout to a criminal they just destroyed.

Imagine for instance you were in a death match race with another car and won but it was unprovoked. The police arrive and as punishment destroy your vehicle. Do you honestly think they would allow the insurance company to pay you anything? Of course not.

It makes no sense at all that you get insurance all the time, let alone from breaking the law. Personally, I say remove insurance entirely. It's one HUGE isk faucet and makes the game much easier.

in EvE everybody PvP. Period. Just because some players focus more on PvE content doesn't mean they don't PvP. Period.

It is just that in hig-hsec there are rules and consequences that do not apply to null and low.

If you don't like it, why not go play another game instead of trying to ruin this one.

Hmm, i cant see any logic in your post.

Generally every EVE player play EVE. If you dont play EVE why you dont play other game ???

Just cant get it.

Im waiting for night to finish on minecraft so I can get back to building my temple without the creepers getting me