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Slightly marred by the spelling mistakes, but they didn't prevent it from being a nice little challenge.

I'm amazed - I never realised there was such a thing as an online morse code translator.

If CCP has to choose one gripe to patch, this is the one. This is a huge annoyance for me personally, and since others have complained about it, I don't think I'm alone.

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Will CCP realize now that the lure of EVE being Challenge that they change the Scanning back a few notches from "stupid" to "challenging" again? I'm really done with getting a babified version of a game i used to love.

Can't wait for an official response

There will be no response, exploration is not going to go back to challenging.
So they wont respond.

Exploration was the side of EVE that woudl reward the ones with a nack, the ones that dont like it easy, the ones that persevere.

I never minded how easy and stupid missions are, you are told to go to this place, to this and get this reward.
I dont mind it, i simply dont like it, so i am not a mission runner.
It never bothered me if someone would be running lvl 4s AFK ( and i know soooo many ) with a PST ishtar, for example...
But the fact that we could get what they couldnt with our effort, always caused an "itch".

CCP decided to take exploration from us to give it to the ones less willing to develop effort.

Maybe they could have considered creating a "kids-level-pretending-to-be-exploration" while keeping real exploration for the real explorers... but they didnt.
After all we explorers are so few... if you have any doubts, my fellow capsuleer, check the feedbacks.

Folks find this an "exploration-revamp"... they find its good that its so easy now, semi-automatic, and then complain about bothering things... like a place where a button is...
I remember mission runners complaining about the distance the mission objective is from the point where they land after warp... even in missions with no rats to kill, in which they only have to burn to the container... even that its already annoyingly effortful.

The CCP team and everyone involved in this change of exploration failed to understanding one thing, we are not explorers because of the reward, we are explorers because of the thrill of exploration.
What you implemented is not exploration, you took the thrill away and replaced it with some semi-automatic system to get a reward so that "the others" could do it.
Dont call it exploration, call it something else, there is no more exploration in EVE Online.

Ideally a community, a society will be base on the principles of Meritocracy.
That is the reason why the United States, although being such a new country, became the most important country in the world, because it was built on those principles.

Taking from the ones with more merit to give to the ones less willing to develop effort its the opposite of that.

Any society or community in which an individual is prized for not doing effort its doomed.

Might appear as a smart move from CCP to take exploration from the relatively few explorers to give some extra semi-afk reward to the majority of the PVE players, but that is only aparent.

EVE online only remains in existance today ( and growing ) after so many years because some stayed during all those years, some created the player base which makes EVE today attractive to everyone ( including WOW players).
Its the "folclore" these players create ingame and offgame as a community that brings new players.
Its not new ships paintjobs, its not a new button, or a new round target, or whatever... its the player base that makes it attractive.
The ones that stayed during all those years were the ones with a nack, the ones who persevere, the ones who seek challenges.
Pushing away the explorers of today from the game, its pushing away the future player base of EVE Online.
The ones who persevere, who like challenges, who develop effort, are the player base of EVE Online 10 years from now.

The afk mission runners will remain afk mission runners, what part of EVE will you take in the future ( after taking exploration ) to give some close-to-no-effort reward to those players?
Are you going to end PVP in the future and re-think all highsec -> nullsec concept?
And after that?
After that EVE will be dead because your player base exists no more and the mission runners have found themselves some other quick-fix.
And btw, are you aware of the fact that most mission runners after they get to a lvl in which they can pay PLEX with isk, dont pay subscription?

I, from my part and after over two years and a half playing this game with much joy, independently of being more or less rewarded, have less than 48 hours still on my two accounts ( third has already expired ) and since i tried the new "exploration-revamp", i docked and never logged in again.

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Fon

But i would not give, just in overseer personal effects i might have around 1.5B worth

There is no emoticon to express how I feel about scatter loot.

That and the insta-warp to Grav sites, I mean Anomalies.

Exploration took some skill before. You had to figure out how to deal with rtaz and still be able to hack containers, etc. Hybrid all-in-one ship designs popped up and/or dual account strategies. Now, there ain't no stinking ratz. You can warp in with a cheetah armed to the teeth with analyzers and have at it.

I don't know guys. Guess I'll still explore out in Lo sec, but no more Grav sites - I have been kicking around in a Venture and cherry picking choice rocks, so that seems to be a workable solution. But no probes on Dscan as a prelude to gankage - very very disconcerting.

Thumbs up for the Rhapsodae and Urgg Boolean.

Thats really the thing.
What exploration needed most of all was more variety, different 3/10s, different 4/10s, different 2/10s, different radar sites, why not radar sites with an easy 3/10 attached? or a 2/10? that was the way to go with exploration.
Not taking the effort, the dedication, the thrill of trying to find something we dont know its out there...

Why not make the missions scanned site instead?
You get a mission and you need to scan it in a 10 systems radius to be able to warp to it?
Why not? it would be the same thing, missions would become more appealing to us explorers.
That would mean of course taking from the mission runners what they enjoy.

You did that the other way around, you took from explorers what they enjoy to handle to mission runners and afk miners a semi-automatic way to get reward...

I am surprised with the fact that CCP did nothing to justify the changes... either they had no idea of what they were doing or they knew exactly what they were doing...
If they dont clear that out, we will decide for ourselves what appears more likely to have happened.

And if the reason was the second i mentioned, then that means they have no respect for the players who have been paying a subscription ( or more than one ) for years.
Maybe they think you are so addicted to the game they dont need to care about you at all, your needs and expectations as player, you will continue playing no matter what.

Like a drug addicted who goes buy it from someone who beats him in the head every time he goes there. He doesnt like the beating, but he needs his dose so he goes anyway.
Thats how CCP is treating the players who have stayed in EVE ( some for years ) due to the thrill of exploration.

We beat you in the head because we know you will continue coming here everyday, because you are addicted.
We dont respect you and we dont need to.

thats two cents and a half

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Fon

I think you missed the point. Pre Odyssey, if you were in a WH grav you had the chance of seeing probes on Dscan (gravs had to be scanned out to warp to them), giving you time (if fast enough) to warp off to the relative safety of a pos. Post Odyssey, gravs show as ANOMS upon entry to the system, no need to scan = no warning for those mining of possible incoming danger = dead mining barge/exhumer.

You look to have removed the 2 dot result from 3 probes.
Now you only get one dot and it's the incorrect one.
Is this a bug? I hope so, it's very frustrating.