EVE General Discussion

I know.. me too!

Circle of Arms, way back in the day - 2000-04. Although I did go back last year for a few months for a bit.... they've changed the dynamics enough that it doesn't have the rich clan and political depth it had at one time. But truly.... one of the all time best.

CoA, back in the day, too. I remember the death run to Sawato as an untagged newbie, just because it was the closest thing to a haven on Darktide. A haven that was regularly raided, and you better get your newbie butt out there and help... but worth it.

Just wanted to let people know that ^^ is what it's all about, so please don't feel the need to waste your energy on anything other than what's important to you.

While I can dish it out like I can take it, I chose not to as this thread is not about any one person, myself included.-- and trying to cause problems between players was the last straw for me.

One reason I wanted to talk to Jenn too is that I disagreed with some of what he wrote (and wanted to understand his perspective more) but yet dugg his attitude. I'm glad he responded as I didn't realize the extent of what some guys go through in a typical day -- as some of the aforementioned problems are not mentioned in my circles. (e.g. sexual harassment charge fears).

Anyway, I'm glad people didn't take the reverse race(ism)-baiting and understood what I meant, even if perhaps I could have worded the compliment better.

I'll be off the thread a bit -- I have to kick some guy ass on another game for a few days -- and just wanted folks to know that so that maybe energies won't be wasted as much. Not that I have any illusions about people hell-bent on doing most anything on these forums.

Otherwise, anyone who has contributed constructively (agree or disagree) to this thread has been appreciated.

Keep improving the EVE Billboard too!

idk ladies...i mean if we are going to try and crusade against every pervert, rude and uncouth neckbeard in the online gaming world then that is a war we are destined to lose, in my opinion. it's just the way it is. even if the genders were equally represented, or even if we as women, were the dominant demographic in online gaming...those types of players would still exist and would still have to be tolerated to some degree. because, as has been covered in this thread already a number of times, anonymity is armor for those types and it always will be. there is simply not much we can do about it.

it's a pretty rare thing that i have to deal with the kind of abuse or hate that some have described in this thread. i'm a pretty tolerant person and i guess i accepted the realities of what online gaming is a long time ago. however, that said, i suppose if i were subjected to as much negativity on as frequent a basis as some have claimed to have suffered, i'd be weary of it too and would look for a solution.

Nice straw man argument. Definitely has persuaded *me* that this is a total non-problem and I was utterly misguided to think otherwise. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

Spend all the time you want trying to assign victims, there's always a reason a particular group of people becomes the target of hatred. Usually, they project an elitist subculture and openly vulgarize everyone else. (your intro is a perfect example)

I believe we have a misunderstanding here. Female or male, I do not hand out respect. Hell, I've been in my current corp for months, and the one person I seriously respect is the guy who tries his damnedest to learn how to FC, even though we whelp and die every time. He's doing the grind, and I give props for that at least.


You have done nothing to earn disrespect. But please do not confuse my simply not handing it out, with any intent to disrespect. Respect IMO, isn't a fundamental human right, nor is it a component of basic decency. I can have a lack of respect for a cashier at WalMart, but I can still smile and tell her a joke to try and make her day better. (that joke was, I put my daughter on the conveyor belt and tried to scan her a few times, Simpson's style)

As to this:




Why give out personal details? I am curious as to why this would be of value. As for myself, I am no stranger to such things, especially given my own ethnicity and birthplace in a particular area. If I recall, though, I already mentioned I lived in Japan on page 25, so that does give some of it away.


That, by the way, is why I took exception to Amarra's comment there. I have encountered such a thing(lived with it for years), but people are far too willing to jump down my throat screaming "sexist!" to notice, or to read anything I've actually said. I find that hypocritical.





Nah, happy to stay on the thread. I'm just curious as to why a conversation of this nature has turned into a "Hi, I'm Jim and I'm an alchoholic" style discussion. People shouldn't have some kind of barrier of entry to a discussion in a public forum, least of all having to share a story of being discriminated against. That's just weird.

EVE doesn't need to change to cater more towards women. Especially considering what most people seem to think that would entail does nothing to address the real issue.

The problem is the players. The players who bombard female players with jokes about making sandwiches, get back to the kitchen, etc. The players who assume that female gamers aren't as competent or as capable of learning the game as most male gamers. The players who think that just because a woman speaks up on comms that automatically means she's an attention whore and not just, you know, another player speaking up on comms. The players who harrass female gamers with continued unwanted sexual advances or hackneyed memes.

Now, I'm generally of the opinion that most subjects are okay to joke about in mixed company (with a few exceptions like **** and sexual assault, genocide, mass murder, spousal or child abuse, infanticide, etc.) but a joke is a joke really only if it's meant with good humor and no ill intentions. When the same tired jokes are repeated focusing on a singular aspect of a person like their sex, or when these jokes are intended in a more derogatory manner, then it starts to border on harassment.

Not really. It's a competitive aspect. Multiplayer games are built on competition and/or cooperation. EVE has both of these in many different forms.

I really don't understand why people who think stealing from others in a video game that explicitly allows and even condones such behavior somehow translates to a predilection for doing so in real life. Certainly if you're a thief in real life you're likely to be a thief in-game, but it doesn't work the other way around.

Anyway, saying something to the effect of "some women don't like all these aspects of the game which are regarded as iconic so we should change the game to suit their tastes" is the wrong approach. Sure more women playing the game would be nice, but they should be women who appreciate what the game actually stands for, not women who joined because wardrobe options were their main incentive. The same goes for any other group.

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