Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I have to say that I thought XL Artillery would get looked at during this patch.

So far, the Moros hits for around 60-70k per volley on a standard Archon setup. The Artillery Naglfar (Designed for alpha) is hitting around 50-60k every 14 seconds. This seems hugely wrong and needs to be looked at. Why no lookie CCP? The Arty Nag should be hitting a standard archon for at LEAST 110 - 140k.

Capital artillery isn't designed for alpha though. The role of alpha, or at least volley damage, in capital weapons is currently taken by citadel torps. It's about the only thing that citadel torps are good for, so I'm not sure that attempting to boost a good dread (Naglfar) and nerf a really bad one (Phoenix) is such a good idea...

This is absolutely riddicuous!!

I have no idea what the moros is like compared to other dreadnought as it's the only dread i own. The fact that i have decent skills and the sleeper bs in question has plenty of webs and painters on it, i cannot hit it for **** since the nerf!!

firing 3 meta 2 blasters with antimater and having 3 tracking enhancer 2's in lows and 2 tracking computers in mids and i still cant hit anything sort it out!!

hitting once out of 20 shots, whats the poiunt of having a moros if you cant use the guns to hit anything

Riddiculous!!!

I trained and built a moros in my wormhole (oh my god so many jumps just to bring all the components in) so I could rig it before patch day. Then I read that they're nerfing it's optimal, sure I could fit all kinds of tracking modules and lose cap stability, or use thorium and lose around 4k DPS but why should I have to. AFAIK dreads were made for blapping structures or stationary capitals hence why they are stationary themselves while in siege, POS are probably the most blapped structures in the game so why have a dread that can't hit a large tower without crippling itself to do so or doing DPS that's only slightly better than any other dread using short range weapons and high damage ammo. Can't even get enough tracking mods on the thing to hit a large tower in optimal with antimatter anyways. Someone brought up that "it can't be the best at blapping offline towers AND online towers too." Every other dread can hit a large tower in optimal with short range weapons and high damage ammo, why not the moros?

If you don't want dreads blapping subcaps then make them unable to target subcapitals. If I had known I was gonna get screwed on such short notice before patch day I would have trained for a nag instead, I mean it's vertical for crying out loud! Not to mention the thing cost me twice what it's worth in mineral value because of all the market speculation over the nag changes, that may not mean squat to all the rich null kids who get fed isk in those rich complexes snug and safe deep in their sov space but considering most players will never see 10 digits in their wallet without months of grinding it's a pretty big deal. So what it does a little more DPS than a nag, the nag can choose damage types making it a better choice for POS bashing after these changes.

Yes I'm mad cause a ship I put a lot of time and "imaginary" money into got made less relevant after I was already too far into the process of training for it and buying the parts to build it. Why shouldn't I be? Should be able to hit a large tower in optimal with antimatter or make the forcefield smaller, or maybe, just maybe, don't nerf a weapons system because a different one sucks so hard and has sucked since the day it was made. Fixing badly designed ships and weapons by nerfing ones that are decent is a pretty bad idea. I really have no good points to make, I'm just venting because I wasted a couple months training and a little over 5 billion isk on a ship that was the best choice for what I needed it for and now it isn't.

Seems that the problem most people have with the moros is that it has too much DPS in falloff, so you give more falloff? Seen some people suggesting we fit rails on the moros for POS bashing, yeah that works if you want to do half the potential DPS of the ship. Why not give the thing 25km optimal and take the falloff back to say, 10km falloff? Would that not help at all? I'm just throwing things out there because really anything seems like a better idea than making a ship, which one of it's primary roles is blapping towers, not be able to hit in optimal a large tower with it's best ammo because of some gripes about something completely unrelated to blapping structures. I'll stop here, I feel the heat already.

The moros is still the Dread with the most DPS at optimal range to a large POS, around 30-35 km. And thats with a cap stable fit using Antimatter and full t2 fit, compared to Nag with Meta guns and Rev with faction crystals. Nag has same DPS but at loss of tank mods (2TCs) and it´s using Meta guns which have a good price/profit relation due to only 2 hardpoints. The old XL Blasters simple were to good. It was Moros or gtfo. Now you can choose between Nag and Moros and loose just some short range dps But gain better tank, choosable damage type and less cap use.

And for a side note...Only the Rev can hit a large POS in optimal with close range ammo but it does pathetic dps compared to Nag and Moros. Rev 31km optimal with MF and 1 TC, Nag 24km with EMP 2 TE and 2 TC (which is bad) and Moros 16km with AM.

Make it 2, 1 is from me. Thx

erm...shield fit it?

lol are all the CSM members forum trolls?

Just because I enjoy it, that doesn't make it trolling.