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What about a Gallente boat with 10% boost to sentry optimal, 20% boost to sentry dmg and HP per level, 5/5/6 layout -- 600 drone bay.

0 turrets, totally reliant on sentry drones to do any real damage, and small tank.

after testing both close and long range setups for all 4 ships the amount of dps is astonishing but i have to question the skill requirements for it having the bar set so low anyone new to the game can have one in a matter of days with passable to good skills
the point being its the new i win gank ship no matter if concord steps up it still going to be over powered make it so you have to train to use it and not just start a new toon and hop in to a ship 3days later for a gank.

my suggestion is to have the skills pushed up

secondary skill required
battle cruisers level 5
spaceship command level 5

key point you have train instead of it taking a week to train for make it a month


all 4 of the ships look great even with them being unfinished but also the posterity for them is something even i look forward too

Just writing to defend the cap bonus on the oracle. Since it already gets a cap use reduction from the role bonus, the extra cap bonus is incredibly powerful. It is stable out of the box with megapulses and 3 HS. With a t2 mwd, you only need a cap booster to run the mwd.

And that is useful in how many pvp situations? I've never had a pvp encounter where I needed to be cap stable, so only if you're ratting is it even useful. In exchange for something else, say tracking boosts, where it is useful in every situation, we get a second, redundant cap usage bonus for no real reason. No other ship is cap stable on the amarr side out of the box, what does that tell you about its bonuses except that one is useless.

Even more so, it blatantly states the role bonus of 50% as if CCP is saying, oh, we could just increase this to 60, but we didn't want to give you a chance to outshine the overpowered tornado which gets insane bonuses.

Quoting this 5 lights would help it out a lot. We seriously dont need another drone boat. If you want one, go buy an ishtar or a dominix.

here is the thing, fly the 3 amarr battleships fit them the same. you will notice that w/o the cap use bonus the abbadon's cap will dry up faster than the apocs and geddons using muli freq. With this in mind.

Shrink the capacitor to the size of the harbingers. W/O that cap bonus you might get 4 maybe 5 cycles off before your cap goes to 0. you need that cap bonus on the ship or you will have no cap on your ship. If you get into an extended fight what are you going to do if you dont have that bonus.

New approach on Balancing:

Tornado: leave as is (sounds great) and add a target painter bonus. Fast, flexible DPS, and weak EHP.

Talos: Add the Web bonus, increase it's EHP to compensate for being a blaster boat, and give it the light drone flight. (close in and gank) Intent is to still be a glassier cannon, but give it a fair chance to close.

Naga: Give it the four bonuses to all BS class missiles and hybrids (long range theme with potential to do close in, but no where near as good as Talos) And throw on an ECM bonus for S&G's. This would make it fit the Caldari fluff perfectly.

Oracle: Give it a damage bonus instead of capacitor, and add an HP buff, but less than for Talos (fits the lumbering fleet of lazor doom.) Fits the fluff of amarr BS's requiring logistics support for capacitor in prolonged engagements.


This would give each a unique flavor and fit into a theme.

Also as a potential, make one of the bonus sets based on the racial cruiser skill. Example:
1. Talos: Web/drone bay = +5%/5m3 per cruiser level (EHP buff is part of ship, but is the highest HP of all)
2. Oracle: +10% HP per cruier level (not to exceed Talos buff)
3. Naga: Add a 10% ECM strength bonus per cruiser level (lol I can see your face now)
4. Tornado: As is, plus a Target painter bonus per cruiser level.

In short, if unbalanced, rather than dragging down everything to mediocrity as is so often the case, maybe try making all fun.

-DT

Your post makes little sense. Caldari need more missile boats since their Caldari... and the reason the raven has torps/cruise are for pvp/pve uses respectively.

After reading the second/third page of this forum topic it's quite apparent you guys don't have any idea what these ships intended uses are. These ships primary use are to counter battleships... player battleships, and possibly capital ships after the nerf. Hence the reason they have a small signature radius and use LARGE weapons. While I agree the Naga's split bonuses put the ship at a disadvantage I highly disagree on losing the torp bonuses completely. Torpedos are used for pvp, cruise missiles are for pve, making it solely cruise missiles completely negates the entire reason for the ship, to counter player battleships. Being at long range with cruise missiles prevents you from being able to speed tank battleships and allows them to hit you. And with the small tank, allows them to destroy you. Cruise also don't do nearly enough damage to be used in pvp.

drone bay for talos 5 lights only.

if not, make the tracking bonus 7.5 per level instead of 5

Combining my thoughts on all current changes

Hybrids:
I've sperged on the topic of blasters enough by now. I think he changes are very good for blaster and rail boats but they need to play out in game or on sisi with actual fights to see how it plays out. Some people are convinced they are still terrible. vOv. If anything I would give blasters a 10% range bonus.

Tier3 BCs:
This is an accident waiting to happen, a real train wreck of an idea that is going to obsolete whole groups of ships. The Tornado and the Oracle are the worst, but if the damage graph from FHC is accurate, then even the Naga and Talos will be doing stupid damage at ranges that no ships outside Sniper BS can match. Goodbye Sniper hacs, goodbye hacs, goodbye Drakes, goodbye Canes and most likely goodbye cruisers as well.

IMO, these ships should be slow. Slower than normal BCs. That or they need to drop the big gun concept and make them normal med gun BCs, or if they keep the big guns, then BS. No offense to Pattern, but currently I think these ships should not be in the game at all.

Destroyers:
The smaller sig, increased speed and hp are great. They 25% RoF penalty should be brought back, however, as these dessies make frigs, AFs, inties and indeed t1 cruisers completely worthless for the most part.

Is this what EVE is going to be reduced to: gangs of Tier3s sniping or kiting at range with dessie gangs being used as cheap suicide tackle T3 hunters? It's going to make for a lot of tears and a very boring game.

No insurance to suicide gankers:
Don't care. Gankers will still gank the expensive stuff for profit and the cheap stuff for tears.

Apart from the hybrid buff and parts of the dessie buff (and nebulae) I'm a lot less happy about these changes than I was.