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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#61 - 2013-06-11 20:08:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Mr Kidd wrote:
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discriminating organizations


CCP ban yourself! You're discriminating!

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I doubt CCP would enforce ship naming policy, it is common practice in null to use names that are deceptive to enemy d-scans. They probably have it as a protective clause in case someone in high-sec, for example, names their ship CCP Soundwave's Rifter or Federation Navy Commander and is doing something offensive or fishy in local under such a guise. That's my take on it, anyway.


Right, because if they're not going to do so, it's always a good idea to make up rules for things you're not going to do. Now, the reality is selective enforcement. That's why we have laws and rules. Some are absolute. Others are not. But in all cases, rules are made to be applied. It's just a matter of whether you're a friend of CCP's or not.

Many many rules and laws in the world exist solely to shackle those that aren't friends to the people who made the rules and laws in the first place.

True, however in this case it is actually to have the tools available (without question) to get rid of names that go a wee bit too far.

Nobody is going to go around policing your ship name unless it is EXTREMELY inappropriate. The same goes for your corp or alliance name. However if you do violate the boundaries of whatever passes in Iceland as good taste, they can refer to this ruling without question when converting it to something numerical.

I'm sure they find the panic and hysterical over reaction by certain people to be more than a little amusing, but that's just icing on the cake. Smile

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Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
#62 - 2013-06-11 20:23:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Kijo Rikki
Mr Kidd wrote:

Right, because if they're not going to do so, it's always a good idea to make up rules for things you're not going to do. Now, the reality is selective enforcement. That's why we have laws and rules. Some are absolute. Others are not. But in all cases, rules are made to be applied. It's just a matter of whether you're a friend of CCP's or not.

Many many rules and laws in the world exist solely to shackle those that aren't friends to the people who made the rules and laws in the first place.


I disagree on how CCP will be selective about their rules. I don't think it has anything to with what your CCP buddy level is trained to, I think it's a matter of evaluating a circumstance and deciding if a name and its use crosses a line, if not CCP would chose to ignore it, if so then CCP can use the rule to change the name without argument.

I feel pretty confident I could name my ship "Gist Commander" or whatever and fly into an ice belt and blow someone up. Most players can tell the difference betweena red plus and a white empty box. I don't feel CCP would view that as misleading. What I thnk they meant was, using CCP Soundwave's Rifter or "Federation Navy Commander" and telling locals that you have an official sanctioned contest, or telling players they are banished from system, or something to this effect. Using the name to try to impersonate an employee or an in-game NPC character, literally, not just in ship name.

You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam. 
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#63 - 2013-06-11 20:26:04 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
If in doubt, ask them what the Tainted Claret really is


Is that anything like a Band Camp Flute?







clar·et (klrt)
n.
1.
a. A dry red wine produced in the Bordeaux region of France.
b. A similar wine made elsewhere.
2. A dark or grayish purplish red to dark purplish pink.


clar·i·net (klr-nt)
n.
A woodwind instrument having a straight cylindrical tube with a flaring bell and a single-reed mouthpiece, played by means of finger holes and keys.



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Damage Control I
Doomheim
#64 - 2013-06-11 20:26:22 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:

No. No no no


You arent allowed to IMPERSONATE ingame items


oops
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#65 - 2013-06-11 20:30:35 UTC
Damage Control I wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:

No. No no no


You arent allowed to IMPERSONATE ingame items


oops



its ok, DC1, I like you





You reinforce all my places at once

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
#66 - 2013-06-11 20:31:17 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Damage Control I wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:

No. No no no


You arent allowed to IMPERSONATE ingame items


oops



its ok, DC1, I like you





You reinforce all my places at once


Sounds like it belongs in a romance novel.

You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam. 
GreenSeed
#67 - 2013-06-11 20:36:39 UTC
he's Minmatar, shes Amarr... i would say BSDM novel, not romance.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#68 - 2013-06-11 20:39:02 UTC
GreenSeed wrote:
he's Minmatar, shes Amarr... i would say BSDM novel, not romance.


We all know who wears the trousers on THIS ship







No one, they get in the way of the electrodes

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Anti-social Tendencies
Society for Miner Education
#69 - 2013-06-11 21:19:52 UTC
seth Hendar wrote:
Dalmont Delantee wrote:
Whats the problem with the naming policy? I'm confused...

well, since you cannot name your ship with any name based on ingame items.... you would not be allowed to name a rifter "rifter", or cargo container, or stargate(X) etc....


Nothing in the policy would prevent you from naming your Drake "rifter".

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S D Plissken
#70 - 2013-06-11 21:25:06 UTC
I like the way dead rodents are glorified. Makes you sound 'legit'.



Only dead rodents are good rodents.


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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#71 - 2013-06-11 21:31:17 UTC
Yes... that is the part of the EULA you react on lol

There's plenty of other sections of the EULA that is far more questionable than just a small update in print to rules that have been in place for years just not spelled out properly. Why would anyone really care what you name your ship or can.

/c

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Ottersmacker
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#72 - 2013-06-11 21:33:01 UTC
this has me pondering whether referencing mind-blowingly narrow delicious teenage lady parts in my ship name would be deemed sexually explicit.

best to be safe with ice and fire spoilers i guess

i just locked an open door.. strange, yet symbolically compelling.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#73 - 2013-06-11 21:35:51 UTC
Ottersmacker wrote:
this has me pondering whether referencing mind-blowingly narrow delicious teenage lady parts in my ship name would be deemed sexually explicit.

best to be safe with ice and fire spoilers i guess





What like "Bone****?"





Its where the eyes used to be, if thats any help

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Tiber Ibis
The Paratwa Ka
#74 - 2013-06-11 22:51:46 UTC
What if someone's name is identical to yours barring a letter. Would that mean you are impersonating another player and could request for them to have a name change? Also some corporation names are copies of another, so now we can get them changed also? Interesting.
Elliavir
Miskatonic Mercantile
#75 - 2013-06-12 00:04:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Elliavir
I hope that 'impersonation' and 'parody' aren't confused.

I think "Republic Culinary School' would be a great name for a hi-sec carebear corp.

I'd worry a bit if I were a current member of "Goonwaffle".

I'd be shopping for a new corporation if I were a current member of "Republic Millitary School".

Lather, rinse, repeat with all your favorite entities.

Edit - bolding & italicizing for clarity
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#76 - 2013-06-12 12:59:54 UTC
GreenSeed wrote:
he's Minmatar, shes Amarr... i would say BSDM novel, not romance.


Since when is BDSM not romantic?

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Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
#77 - 2013-06-12 13:21:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Aramatheia
if this is true then i know pilots who are looking for trouble, or remarkably lucky so far, some with names copying npcs, or naming thier ships after random celestials to fool scans.

if I have a couple of ship names inspired by my favorite scifi, am i also doomed?

Tiber Ibis wrote:
What if someone's name is identical to yours barring a letter. Would that mean you are impersonating another player and could request for them to have a name change? Also some corporation names are copies of another, so now we can get them changed also? Interesting.


that gets dicey especially if the copycat is doing bannable stuff in game. i recall when i used to play an unnamed mmo, after years of playing all the sudden a botter appeared with a clone of my name + 1 letter. i reported it furiously for months before it was finally removed. Thankfull anyone who knew me knew i hated bots and my name wasnt tarnished, but whats to stop a GM or whatever having a bad day from banning an innocent because some dirtbag cloned thier name and broke the rules
seth Hendar
I love you miners
#78 - 2013-06-12 13:26:38 UTC
Aramatheia wrote:
if this is true then i know pilots who are looking for trouble, or remarkably lucky so far, some with names copying npcs, or naming thier ships after random celestials to fool scans.

if I have a couple of ship names inspired by my favorite scifi, am i also doomed?

Tiber Ibis wrote:
What if someone's name is identical to yours barring a letter. Would that mean you are impersonating another player and could request for them to have a name change? Also some corporation names are copies of another, so now we can get them changed also? Interesting.


that gets dicey especially if the copycat is doing bannable stuff in game. i recall when i used to play an unnamed mmo, after years of playing all the sudden a botter appeared with a clone of my name + 1 letter. i reported it furiously for months before it was finally removed. Thankfull anyone who knew me knew i hated bots and my name wasnt tarnished, but whats to stop a GM or whatever having a bad day from banning an innocent because some dirtbag cloned thier name and broke the rules

this is really common practice in small scale pvp, counting on your target (or the ones hunting you) doesn't paying much attention to his dscan, or confusing name and shiptype.

this is one way to somehow blend in, but this is not enought to fool one paying the correct level of attention tho.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#79 - 2013-06-12 13:37:29 UTC
Aramatheia wrote:
an innocent




No such item found

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Blastil
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#80 - 2013-06-14 19:43:12 UTC
seth Hendar wrote:

In-game names may not:
...
  • Reflect, glorify or emulate any real-world group or organization, terrorist society, criminal elements, discriminating organizations or their leaders and figureheads. This includes the use of names of real-world military, political or religious groups.
    • ...
  • In-game names include, but are not limited to: Character names, corporation names, alliance names and any other player-nameable item or entity within the game world..


    • wait, hang on, 1, that means that you can't name any stations after vile rat and 2, that the default names of every ship are now AGAINST CCP policy on two counts since they both include a character name, AND an ingame item name as in XXX's Imicus.


    Fail CCP, Fail.