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Missile Amarr BS
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Dan Osiris
Never Not Contract
#1 - 2013-06-08 16:15:50 UTC
Because Khanid. And cruise missiles rock. And my toon is Amarr =[
PavlikX
Nocte Vigilo
Fraternity.
#2 - 2013-06-08 16:24:07 UTC
Well, according to the entire khanid idea there must be torpedo armed PvP oriented t2 ship.
New t2 BS class. Abaddon hull. I sure that there must two ships in this class - combat and attack t2 battleships. Combat this one, attack apoc's hull. Let's post ideas about stats.
Jureth22
EVE-RO
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2013-06-08 16:30:17 UTC
PavlikX wrote:
Well, according to the entire khanid idea there must be torpedo armed PvP oriented t2 ship.
New t2 BS class. Abaddon hull. I sure that there must two ships in this class - combat and attack t2 battleships. Combat this one, attack apoc's hull. Let's post ideas about stats.


t2 rokh with lasers?
t2 maelstrom with blasters?
t2 hyperion with idk?confetti?
PavlikX
Nocte Vigilo
Fraternity.
#4 - 2013-06-08 16:55:33 UTC  |  Edited by: PavlikX
Any constructive ideas?

Meantime i prefer t2 abaddon and apoc with lasers, but existing ideology gives more possibility to the torpedo armed black abaddon
Lucine Delacourt
The Covenant of Blood
#5 - 2013-06-08 17:05:32 UTC
There already is a T2 Apoc.
PavlikX
Nocte Vigilo
Fraternity.
#6 - 2013-06-08 17:07:00 UTC
In the role of t2 attack BS? really?
Dan Osiris
Never Not Contract
#7 - 2013-06-08 17:39:48 UTC
The best candidate IMO would be the Redeemer (black ops.) It's in need of a damage buff, as is all black op ships.
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#8 - 2013-06-08 18:10:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Alvatore DiMarco
T2 ships haven't been broken into "Attack" and "Combat" and probably won't be. They already have classes and roles and don't need further stratification that will only serve to introduce confusion. "Combat" and "Attack" are there to give some suggestion of form and function to the otherwise-formless lineup of unspecialized T1 ships. The T2 Apoc is a Marauder, and that's all there is to that.

Perhaps in the future we can see a Khanid-colored Apoc with Torpedo bonuses. This kind of thing really should happen anyway. However folks, remember that Khanid ships get unguided (short-range) missile bonuses. Rockets and HAMs and Torpedoes, not Light Missiles and Assault Missiles and Cruises which are bonused in Caldari ships. For T2 ships with cruise missile bonuses, you're looking at the Golem and the Widow.

OP never specified a T2 ship though, so I'll just say that the Armageddon is an Amarrian missile platform and it works alright with Cruises.
Vayn Baxtor
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2013-06-08 18:14:12 UTC
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There already is a T2 Apoc.

Time for another! ;D

Quote:
Because Khanid. And cruise missiles rock. And my toon is Amarr =O


Make a decent suggestion of a ship; featuring bonuses and weaknesses.
The idea might be shredded by trolls but better off than just posting that line ;D.

Since you mentioned Khanid, it is reasonable that there could be more around missiles. I don't see a problem playing around with that one.

Using tablet, typoes are common and I'm not going to fix them all.

PavlikX
Nocte Vigilo
Fraternity.
#10 - 2013-06-08 18:33:11 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
T2 ships haven't been broken into "Attack" and "Combat" and probably won't be. They already have classes and roles and don't need further stratification that will only serve to introduce confusion. "Combat" and "Attack" are there to give some suggestion of form and function to the otherwise-formless lineup of unspecialized T1 ships. The T2 Apoc is a Marauder, and that's all there is to that.

Well, it's true mostly. If we will look on assault ships (lasers and rockets) and HACs (lasers and hams) most possible option to the new t2 BS class "Assault Battleship" is lasers and torpedoes. Well, we have not seen any t2 ship rebalanced...

Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Perhaps in the future we can see a Khanid-colored Apoc with Torpedo bonuses.

Well, why the apoc exactly? Abaddon is better candidate imo

Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
This kind of thing really should happen anyway. However folks, remember that Khanid ships get unguided (short-range) missile bonuses. Rockets and HAMs and Torpedoes, not Light Missiles and Assault Missiles and Cruises which are bonused in Caldari ships. For T2 ships with cruise missile bonuses, you're looking at the Golem and the Widow.

True, and i belive that each race should get two ships instead of one. Because BS is highly nerfed with new ABCs

Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
OP never specified a T2 ship though, so I'll just say that the Armageddon is an Amarrian missile platform and it works alright with Cruises.

He stated a Khanid ship. Single posibility is t2 version. And Armagedon is not real missile boat because it have no correct bonuses.
Silivar Karkun
Doomheim
#11 - 2013-06-08 19:38:10 UTC
Dan Osiris wrote:
Because Khanid. And cruise missiles rock. And my toon is Amarr =[


this, while its nice to havea misile option with the drone based amarr ship lines, looks like the khanid still lack its own development, adding a new T2 hull made by Khanid Innovations, based in the Abaddon which focuses in missiles would be interesting.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#12 - 2013-06-08 20:44:46 UTC
Armageddon.

/thread.

How did you Veterans start?
Silivar Karkun
Doomheim
#13 - 2013-06-08 20:58:22 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Armageddon.

/thread.


it doesnt count, the geddon is a drone carrier/EWAR ship not a dedicated missile platform, the launcher slots are just for giving more freedom of damage. but its bonuses are only for neuts/vamps and drones.

the next installment for a missile Amarr BS should be something with bonuses like those of the Damnation, with bonus to armor resistances and missile/torpedo/rocket velocity
Dan Osiris
Never Not Contract
#14 - 2013-06-09 02:51:20 UTC
armor resistance + missile rate of fire is the name of the game. someone else can give a go at the stats.
Ruze
Next Stage Initiative
#15 - 2013-06-09 03:06:17 UTC
A new t2 class of BS's, right?

Well, the Geddon is running as the up-close brawler. The khanid geddon would then have geddon bonuses, armed and bonused with missiles over drones, and a higher EWAR defense and better shielding and mobility, but with a sacrifice to armor.

If you're driven to threaten others with harm or violence because of what they do in game, you can't separate fantasy from reality. That "griefer/thief" is probably more sane than you are. How screwed up is that?
Silivar Karkun
Doomheim
#16 - 2013-06-09 03:46:15 UTC
Ruze wrote:
A new t2 class of BS's, right?

Well, the Geddon is running as the up-close brawler. The khanid geddon would then have geddon bonuses, armed and bonused with missiles over drones, and a higher EWAR defense and better shielding and mobility, but with a sacrifice to armor.


why a geddon? why not an Abaddon?, we have enough variations of both tier 1 and tier 2 battleships
Ruze
Next Stage Initiative
#17 - 2013-06-09 03:51:55 UTC
Silivar Karkun wrote:
Ruze wrote:
A new t2 class of BS's, right?

Well, the Geddon is running as the up-close brawler. The khanid geddon would then have geddon bonuses, armed and bonused with missiles over drones, and a higher EWAR defense and better shielding and mobility, but with a sacrifice to armor.


why a geddon? why not an Abaddon?, we have enough variations of both tier 1 and tier 2 battleships


Quite simply, because the new geddon has already been remodled to fulfill that role of brawler.

You could convert the Redeemer to having missiles as a focus when they tiericide the T2 BS's. That would also suit the point and provide that 'superior khanid' feel.

I don't personally care for the Abaddon hull (or missile boats, either), so it's moot to me. But as the designated armor tanking ship, I would like something like a T2 Abaddon to fill the proposed 'Flagship' role of T2 Command line.

If you're driven to threaten others with harm or violence because of what they do in game, you can't separate fantasy from reality. That "griefer/thief" is probably more sane than you are. How screwed up is that?
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#18 - 2013-06-09 05:00:20 UTC
It did occur to me that the Purifier is a cloaky missile ship made by Viziam. When they get around to rebalancing the T2 ships (because they don't have tiers so it's not tiericide), they'll probably use that as a reason to refocus the Redeemer as a missile ship.

On the other hand, we already have the Widow as a missile blops. For this reason, it's clear that a T2 Khanid Apocalypse is needed. Unless they've got an amazing remodel in store for the Armageddon, nothing in the Amarrian battleship lineup will look as damn sexy in Khanid colors as that new Apoc. On the other hand, I'd rather like to see the Armageddon remodeled to match the new Amarrian aesthetic; that might be interesting to see in Khanid colors.
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
#19 - 2013-06-09 05:18:28 UTC
I always thought that Amarr were more into drones than missiles and missiles are just fill-in weapon type that has good projection and does not consume capacitor.

Opinions are like assholes. Everybody got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks.
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#20 - 2013-06-09 05:22:19 UTC
Amarr, being allied with Caldari, are more into missiles than drones. The evidence is an entire line of Khanid ships that feature missile bonuses, while there are no drone-bonused T2 ships other than the Curse/Pilgrim which are based on a drone hull to start with.
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