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Hey!

Remove automated signature system scan - keep only anomalies than all be fine

People must do somethind to get results - fit probe launcher with probes and push the button in each system at least!

we could use an option to turn off probes formation
i prefer to place my 5 probes my own way, the new way is a mess
be ok if the formations changed when reducing size but they dont

This is very much true. I am very sorry to say this, but can someone at CCP honestly affirm that the design changes to scanning have been deeply thought out, beyond the vision phase? Because from my standpoint it certainly looks like they weren't... While I do appreciate CCP's decent reaction to feedback, there are certain design points that a good design phase should have never considered in the first place, feedback or not feedback (7 probes comes to mind, how could you even conceive that??).

CCP, please HTFU, admit that you dropped the ball on this and please, please, please, iterate on the scanning system like you did on the unified inventory. I am not asking you to renounce to your vision, but just fix the clearly horrible things that you have introduced (autorecall of probes or lack of custom formations, for example).

I like that you get to see there is *something* there to explore, but not the great detail (exact number of signatures; anomalies are fine since they're "free" anyways) nor that Gravimetric/Ore Sites are "free" and don't need to be explored.

How do we get these new scan modules without using the market? How do I invent the tech II ones?

I just tried this stuff out, and am pretty amused that they took out the ability to resize the columns. No one thought it might be a good idea to shorten "Cosmic Anomaly" and "Cosmic Signature" to just Anomaly and Signature? Also the new controls for moving probes are ridiculous, as is the idea that they would not include a way to toggle to the new reverse group move controls.

In an poorly thought out and under implemented change, ccp has caused for me what they are attempting to shield new scanners from, I have to learn it over again. The default formations range from useless to all but useless, so I'm attempting to learn to manually position the probes in this trainwreck.

Scannings totally screwed.

Give is something to do ourselves.


Keep Anomalies in systemscan, make us work word complexes! Training for all the scanning skills over a starter skill should give us some ruddy benefit just like before the patch. Now everybody uses 7 probes wtf. Some still like 6!



And give me back my deepspace scanner probes!!!

These threads are getting a bit long to find.

Right now the system scanner doesn't refresh automatically. That is fine, but unlike d scan, hitting the scan button doesn't work. I get a message that it can't connect with probes .

Before DSPs were removed. We would launch a probe and use it to scan for the presence of new sigs or new ships. Now we don't have those available . The system scanner will give new sigs but the only way I can find to scan for new sigs is to close and reopen the scanner . Anyone know if this is a bug? How can we get the functionality if the DSPs, at least in part?

Quoting what i posted on the Odissey Feedback thread:

I am going to give my feedback.

Compared to many and possibly most of the players who come here i am probably a noob, but i play EVE for 2 years and a half and i consider that quite some time.
My main activity is Exploration.
I have three accounts and i have invested much time ( and lets face it, money ) in this game and community because i truely enjoyed it... untill now.

What do i think of this patch? I have no words.
I am seriously considering dropping my subscriptions. Its not a rage quit, its simply not enjoying the game anymore.
And i will explain why.

There are many things that can be done in EVE, the way we are will influence the path we choose in EVE.

Only a small group chooses exploration and there is a reason for that.

This patch takes all the reasons away. The miners and ratters and mission runners will become "explorers" and the real explorers will find another way to enjoy the game... or quit.

Seriously, you should not change exploration so much without consulting explorers... but i guess you went to consult who is not an explorer...
So now you have a semi-automatic system to scan.... i hate it...
I have my own techniques... in a bit over two years i have over 400 units of overseer personal effects from 3/10 complexes and over 300 from 4/10 complexes.
I am an explorer or was untill now.

I have my own techniques, and those techniques i developed with experience and effort, those give me an advantage.
I enter a system and i dont know if there is anything good in it.
I start probing, its a hit and miss, the thrill of finding or not. the run to find it before others come in and find it as well.

Now?
Now you enter the system and see everything, you even see where the signature is located within the system before launching one probe.
awesome!!! thats how easy it gets now!
What about the probes?
Semi-automatic, press launch, they all go out and get linked! awesome!!!

so what makes the difference now? just skills, just put some days on the side to train some skills and you are good to go.

Now mission runners can do exploration afkish as they do with the missions...

It never ocurred to you that real explorers actually like to move the probes manually? that they actually enjoy the fact that its hard? and feel more rewarded from finding something that its hard to find?
Did you ask any explorer who has ran over 700 scanned complexes in two years if he wanted the probes to be released that way? and to be linked? and everythign else?

For me, the game is ruined, but i guess thats alright, i only have three accounts... those can be replaced with three new players...

For the record, i am not one of those guys who always come here complain, quite the opposite, i have never complained about any patch. If there is a bug i report and thats it.

Now?... now i hardly log into EVE... i have a few more days untill my subscriptions expire but really... i find no reasons to log.

Best wishes to everyone.

Fon

PS - I will add something:

All my three accounts were built around the joy of exploration.
I would never consider training a miner pilot if lowsec ore would be so easely found in highsec without scanning, it was good the way it was!!!

I would never consider training an orca pilot - freighter pilot if lowsec ore would be so easely found in highsec without scanning as it is now - it was good the way it was!!!

I am not a gamer, i dont play and didnt play other games, EVE its the only game for me and what made me want to stay for 2 years and a half already, was exploration.

Now there is no exploration, you have taken exploration out and transformed it into a new way to play afkish, good for afkish mission runners and afkish miners.

If exploration was what made me stay, not having exploration, i have no reasons to stay.

This is not a threat about unsubbing, its simply so.

One of my accounts have alreayd expired and i didnt renew it, and the other two will expire soon and i wont renew it as well because i have no reasons to. Since i tried the new "exploration scanning whatever" i docked and i had no motivation to undock, because there is nothing anymore for me in the game.


If i would try EVE today, i would not play longer than a couple of days. When i joined back in 2010, i had not finished the tutorials and i knew already i was going to stay and i knew already i wanted to be an explorer.

Two years and a half later i have over 300 8th tier overseer personal effects from DED rated 4/10 complexes.
An explorer knows that means probably around 1.000 4/10 level ship restrictions complexes ran,because the unrated spawn more than the others.

Two years and a half later i have over 400 7th tier overseer personal effects from DED rated 3/10 complexes.
An explorer knows that means probably twice that number if counting the unrated complexes in which you can take only up to a cruiser size ship.

Adding the 2/10s, i've ran over 2.000 combat complexes in less than two years and a half.

Add to that radar sites, magnometric sites, gravimetric sites for which i created a second miner account and a third orca pilot account.

Fon SaiHoc was an explorer.

Peace everyone.

o7

The silence of CCP in this thread is deafening...

It seems clear to me that CCP has not yet a clear idea on how to get out of the mess they did with exploration, so they hope that not mentioning it will somehow let it slide, even though it seems clear that overall they have not achieved what they set out to do.

So, in an optic of being constructive, I'll try to give some suggestions on how to straighten out this mess, if CCP ever decides to iterate on the system (which, byt the look of it they probably will not...). Of course this is only my opinion, but I think that many people will find the suggestions here at least an improvement on the currrent situation.


1) The Scanning Overlay

There is so much potential in this idea, and so little has been realized...

First of all, get rid of the "enter system, get bacon" thing. The scanning overlay is nice, and even the autoscan does not really hurt, but the fact that its range is infinite is mind-boggling. One important modification that should be done is to restrict the range of that scanner to 4AU, being basically a graphical and automatic version of the old onboard scanner. Also you might want to restrict the type of signatures that you can detect (for instance, you might be able to detect only signatures whose base signature size is above a certain level).

Then add skills and modules that allow to increase the range and the type of signatures detectable, so that the "infinite" range can be hit only by those who actually work towards exploration. And if you want to make happy those who feel the lack of DSPs, introduce some module that also informs you on the base signature size (with possibly a degree of approximation). This setup still meets CCP vision, because noobs will still be able to immediately see that there is stuff out there, and will be able to get to SOME of it, but it also rewards dedicated explorers for skill and equipment investment.


2) The scanning interface

Not much that you haven't been told by lots of people already.

First of all introduce at least one custom formation. That was the only thing that many people were asking to implement, and you not implementing it after all the work that nobody asked for, is some sort of slap in the face on your playerbase of which you should be ashamed. This would be one way in which you communicate to your playerbase that you care also for current explorers instead of being willing to throw them away in order to get noobs onboard.

Obviously also fixing some stupid things that you have removed from the previous interface might help. For instance:
a) the fact that you cannot resize the columns of the scan reports... this should be fixed.
b) the fact that your probes are always centered on the sun instead of being centered where you throw them... this should be fixed.


3) Probes launch and retrieval

There is nothing wrong in simplifying the probe launching mechanism, but immediate launch of all the probes is, as most of your changes, detracting from the emerging gameplay. The time needed to launch the probes, and the fact that they may prevent you to cloak in a hurry may open windows of opportunity for an attacker or a defender. If you wanted to enable a one-click to launch all, why not simply enabling autorepeat on the launcher, instead of changing everything?

As for instant probe retrieval, while I promised myself that in this post I would not ask you to rollback anything, I think you should simply rollback this single thing. While I appreciate that you at least enabled people to willingly leave probes in a system, instant recall was simply uncalled for, and against everything that EVE stands for (actions have consequences, ability and foresighting are rewarded, stuff gets blown up, etc...). Mind you, I don't really mind autorecall, but I am seriously against instant recall. If you want to autorecall probes you should not be able to gate out or dock until they have returned.


4) Grav sites in anomalies

Now this does not have much of an effect in highsec and nullsec, but it makes very hard to ninja-mine in lowsec and impossible to mine in wh. Mind you, I don't mind moving the BELTS in anomalies, as it has been done with ice, but the grav sites? They were supposed to be one of the bonuses of taking up exploration. By moving it into the anomalies you have effectively removed them from being exploration rewards, and also made them almost useless in whs and only marginally useful in lowsec. I would suggest to move all the belts in anomalies, which also makes them harder to bot, and putting grav sites back in signatures where they belong.

Just my 2c.