EVE General Discussion

Do I know a franchise that can claim the same? Yeah, EVE. Highest subs numbers ever, didn't they just recently happyshout about reaching 500k?

WoW, on the other hand, has been going downhill as far as subs go for about 2 and 1/2 xpacs now.

They didn't say why TItan was cancelled. I have my suspicions, but beyond that my point was that Blizzard isn't in too hot shape right now, while EVE is at the peak it's had in a decade.

I'm happy being in second place, yeah. I'm happy with playing one of the only surviving subscription business model MMOs still out there. Especially considering the other one is hemorrhaging subs, no matter the reason. Especially when WoW makes a full fifth of their revenue from their cutesy pet cash shop and paid character services. (btw, their revenue stream is grossly inflated by those things, it makes it look like they're more popular than they are).

Not touching the console thing either. If the major MMO marketers were smarter, they'd stop alienating their core customer base by making crappy console oriented games in the first place. Bethesda is the one designer that does that even remotely well, and they only live off it because their games can have the UI modded to not be "console stupid".

500k to 5mil isn't coming. Period. The core design philosophy of the game doesn't have that kind of appeal. Change it too much, and the people who liked it the way it was will walk. And they'd be right to do so. It's in fact the exact same thing CCP did, they were Ultima Online players who skipped when that game got split up because of QQ and started catering to casuals.

And then UO died. As it deserved to, because the people who liked the game in the first place? Turns out they were all paying customers.

Tell me the company with the single highest numbers in history of customer returns of a single game. Btw, it's Blizzard. That kind of statement would be like me telling you that Warhammer 40k is more popular the WoW because 40k sells more books...

Yeah... that's their take... but what's their overhead for maintenance of 200+ servers? What's their employee payout for their staff, which is about 4 times the size of CCP?



Glass ceiling, wow. Let's go ahead and drag rhetoric from the 60's back up in here. And you called me a dinosaur.

CCP pretty much did end up making DUST (btw, not with a "k") for show, yeah. DUST is about the lore, it's about, much like WiS was, getting the perspective of the smaller scale of the New Eden universe. DUST is a pet project that they hope will increase their take.

If it were a more serious crack at a business model, it wouldn't be free.



Lol@transmog reference. If you think silhouette recognition is a core tenant of WoW, you have just proved beyond a shadow of doubt you have no clue what you are talking about.

EVE is just about the same game it was 5 years ago. Despite your agitating (and why, btw. You have yet to give a reason for any of this), the game still holds to it's core principles. If you undock, you consent to PvP. Penalties for death. Older players have a SP advantage. Cutthroat capitalism.

Which of those core principles are you referring to that EVE apparently needs to get rid of? How about you tell us what you think needs to happen so we can make this more accessible for grrls, and why, and what you think will happen once said change is made.

That's what most of us are trying to do. Some people like to agitate and say we need to make the game open to Felicia Farmville and Angry Birds Annie. I reject that premise without reservation.



Walking in stations just about cost them the game. Follow anything related to that example, and the playerbase will rightly jump down your throat feet first. Can't blame them either, I actually like playing the game.

WiS failed because it wasted a ton of dev time on something that had no effect on the actual game. But yeah, the specifics are worth their own thread.

It is a fact that the way this game is designed, it has little appeal to most females. I'd love to hear more explanation on your point of view of that, though. Especially why you wouldn't want your girl playing it. I assume wife, girlfriend, or daughter.

I just don't see why feminist thought is determined to tear down anything it thinks constitutes a "boys club" when there are plenty of things out there that work the other way around, but are deemed perfectly fine.

I like my game the way it is. Maybe a bit more work put into some of the under used ships and weapons, but yeah, by and large, I am happy with EVE. I am happy it's grimdark, I am happy it's cutthroat, and I am happy with the playerbase and the way they play the game.

What's wrong with a little exclusivity?

And why it had no effect? Because it was unfinished = not good enough = too big task to finish = fail.


In short, the reason why i won't motivate my girlfriend to play EVE is because i want she to be a woman, a happy woman.
She wouldn't be happy running missions, mining in WH/Null while constantly looking at the scanner trying to not get killed. And she won't be a woman if she'll be on the other side: griefing people, listening to the TS(which is annoying even for me), and stuff like that.

Of course i like these kinds of women too, i'd be happy to play with them, to chat... Anything except the personal relationships.

Yes nerds treat women differently on the internet, most are just trying to be funny and edgy, the others think this opportunity to talk to a girl might finally get them laid. It's not really a unique experience to EVE though, the only difference is in EVE it's pretty hard to hide your gender with the need for voice comms.

I know in PL apart from some dumb comments that we make about everything and everyone, it's not that bad.

I'm going to ask what seems like a question with a very obvious answer: what is PVP? More specifically, what do those women here when you say 'PVP?' What's their association?

I ask because I know a few women in EVE. One of them was absolutely, unconditionally PVP-hostile. Then I told her about a fight we got into and posted the Local chat that happened afterward, which was all good-humored and sporting and full of mutual respect, and her reaction was, "oh, if it's that kind of PVP then I could do that." (It was a hard fight, and we lost.) Now, she is not all women, of course, but the exchange did make me wonder. After all, women play RL competitive sports in droves; it's not that surprising that they'd enjoy the virtual parallel, right? So in this case, the problem comes back to the culture around the game, at least as it's perceived. Some women may want perfectly well to throw down, but not to put up with the heaps of abuse that they get from engaging men aggressively and especially beating them in game, or even from just playing a PVP game. I don't have to rely on my little bit of anecdata for this, either: there's plentymore.

To the people asking why a person's gender should matter at all in a video game: when we get to the point that it doesn't, problem solved.

What happend today had nothing to do with "criticism" any more. It was a disgusting display of envious, misgynistic, puritanic Idiots.

Women liking competitive and violent sports?

grew up playing Rugby, meanest SoB's in my town, the kind NO ONE wanted to play against, because you were almost GUARANTEED an injury?
An all-girls team. eventually they grew to 30 soemthing players and had several teams.

IMO girls DO like competitive sports, and are usually more bloodthirsty uthless than guys.

in my experience what women DONT like, is being treated like "girls" (as in being babied, gone easy on, things obviously done BECAUSE of their gender), when they start getting treated like that, they generally leave and dont come back, they PREFER to be treated equally (shocker, right?) in a competitive setting.


granted, there arent as many women ratio-wise as men that enjoy competitive atmospheres, but that is more than just them being female, thats societal/cultural pressures telling them what they should and should not like because of their gender, which thankfully more and more girls these days have stopped giving a **** about what "society" says they should act like, and instead just at like whatever they want.

Why do ppl feel the need to "protect" women in how sexy, strong, female and smart they are? Can't they just enjoy a game without all that patronizing bs, do we need to prove that gaming women can still be female?