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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#181 - 2013-06-02 11:19:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Alvatore DiMarco
TrouserDeagle wrote:
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
TrouserDeagle wrote:
Yeah they're both guns, but sleipnir is about active shield tanking, like the cyclone. Hurricane is about buffer armour.


To reply to your concern, the qualifying criteria here is the weapon system used on the T1 version, not about how they "should" be tanked, which is entirely too subjective and variable to be a determining factor.



That's just, like, your opinion, man.


Proving my point.

However, Fozzie's first post in this thread does specifically mention that the weapon systems on the T1 version of each hull would determine which Command Ship gets which Battlecruiser hull.

Kallie Rae wrote:

Edit: Though don't even think about making the Sleipnir a missile ship.


The Claymore is becoming the missile ship. The Sleipnir remains projectile no matter what happens.
Theodore Giumbix
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#182 - 2013-06-02 11:24:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Theodore Giumbix
Sarmatiko wrote:
Proposed Command Ship hull changes

Awesome work. This must be done.


And another bump:
Theodore Giumbix wrote:
And speaking about things that make sense, Caldari also needs some faction hybrid boats, we have enough missile/drone faction boats.
- frigates: Caldari Navy Hookbill (missile) , Worm (missile & drones) , even tho Merlin is a hybrid boat
- cruisers: Caracal Navy Issue (missile) , Osprey Navy Issue (missile) , Gila (missile&drones even tho the moa & eagle use hybrid guns)
- battlecruisers: Drake Navy Issue (missile)
- battleships: Raven Navy Issue (missile), Scorpion Navy Issue (missiles), Rattlesnake (missile&drones)

How about some faction ferox/rokh hull boats with hybrid guns for caldari and change Gila to use hybrid guns too ?

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David Kir
Hotbirds
#183 - 2013-06-02 11:26:54 UTC
I'm all in favor of adding some graphic variety to the Command Ship class, yet I wouldn't mind the Sleipnir hull staying as it is.

This is a merely personal association, but to me, the Sleipnir "looks like serious business".

Its awkward looks have the sheer practicality one would expect from a military spacecraft.

It's much more of a Minmatar ship than the Hurricane is, in the same way that makes the Typhoon much more Minmatar than the Maelstrom.


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TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#184 - 2013-06-02 11:28:18 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
TrouserDeagle wrote:
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
TrouserDeagle wrote:
Yeah they're both guns, but sleipnir is about active shield tanking, like the cyclone. Hurricane is about buffer armour.


To reply to your concern, the qualifying criteria here is the weapon system used on the T1 version, not about how they "should" be tanked, which is entirely too subjective and variable to be a determining factor.



That's just, like, your opinion, man.


Proving my point.

However, Fozzie's first post in this thread does specifically mention that the weapon systems on the T1 version of each hull would determine which Command Ship gets which Battlecruiser hull.


He said it might be interesting. And I was saying I don't think it would make sense for the sleipnir, unless, lol, the active tanking command ships all suddenly get resist bonuses or HP or something to make them usable as command ships, rather than heavy assault BCs.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#185 - 2013-06-02 11:29:01 UTC
Theodore Giumbix wrote:
Sarmatiko wrote:
Proposed Command Ship hull changes

Awesome work. This must be done.


Yes to that video. Especially to all but the sleipnir. Sleipnir is fine though, needs wings.
Alyssia Benar
Disturbing Silence
Disturbing Silence.
#186 - 2013-06-02 11:30:06 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
That would (potentially) mean:

  • Eos would use the Myrm hull
  • Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
  • Abso would use the Harb hull
  • Nighthawk would use the Drake hull

    • I dislike this. :(
    I really like the current models from all the command ships.
    DeLindsay
    Galaxies Fall
    #187 - 2013-06-02 11:31:15 UTC  |  Edited by: DeLindsay
    Sarmatiko wrote:
    Theodore Giumbix wrote:
    Pics please Big smile

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8m8bZ7ThlRY

    OMFG!!! The Eos as a sexier Myrmidon makes me wet myself! And honestly the Abso looked damn nice and I was surprised how good the Nighthawk looked as a Drake skin. The Cane model I expected to look good and it does. The Eos is the clear winner of the pack though if it gets the reskin.

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    Draknishar
    Imperial Shipment
    Amarr Empire
    #188 - 2013-06-02 11:32:54 UTC
    Dear god, destroying the nighthawk? Why would you ever do something like that? :(
    Theodore Giumbix
    Science and Trade Institute
    Caldari State
    #189 - 2013-06-02 11:39:09 UTC
    Draknishar wrote:
    Dear god, destroying the nighthawk? Why would you ever do something like that? :(

    Because having in Retribution 3 Ferox hulls and only 1 Drake hull or 3 Scorpion hulls and only 1 Rokh hull for Caldari sucks that's why.
    And because it makes more sens if the T1 hull is a missile boat, the Faction/T2 version to be a missile boat too.

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    ExAstra
    Echoes of Silence
    #190 - 2013-06-02 11:56:41 UTC  |  Edited by: ExAstra
    CCP Fozzie wrote:
    This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.

    I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.

    It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.

    That would (potentially) mean:

  • Eos would use the Myrm hull
  • Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
  • Abso would use the Harb hull
  • Nighthawk would use the Drake hull

    • This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.

    So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?

    If the Eos goes to the Myrmidon hull, I will buy both the Eos and the Astarte and use them in glorious combat after tiercide.
    If the Sleipnir went to the Hurricane hull I probably wouldn't buy it, because I don't like the Hurricane. But I like the Claymore way better than the Sleipnir anyway.
    If the Nighthawk goes to the Drake hull it'd be the only time I ever used a Drake hull. That paint scheme would look good on it.
    If the Absolution went to the Harbinger hull, there's a 50% chance I'd sell mine to buy another Eos, haha.


    Personally I think the hull changes would make sense. The Sleipnir is basically a Hurricane with a falloff bonus and active shield tank bonus (2/4 Hurricane, 1/4 Cyclone, 1/4 Random T2 bonus, while trading a low slot for a turret), so making it a Hurricane makes sense. The Absolution now gets Harbinger bonuses after tiercide (3/4 bonuses Harbinger, 1 bonus Prophecy) and honestly the Harbinger might look REALLY good as a Carthum ship. The Eos being Myrmidon makes 150% sense and I would adore that (please!). The Nighthawk going to Drake makes just as much sense with the missile bonuses, and the Drake Navy Issue is so hard to look at because of that camo I'd much rather get a Nighthawk.

    But seriously CCP, do it.

    Edit:
    Sarmatiko wrote:
    Theodore Giumbix wrote:
    Pics please Big smile

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8m8bZ7ThlRY

    I retract my previous statement. I would not sell my Absolution. And I would totally buy that Eos.

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    Mangala Solaris
    Blue Republic
    RvB - BLUE Republic
    #191 - 2013-06-02 11:57:30 UTC
    CCP Fozzie wrote:


  • Eos would use the Myrm hull
  • Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
  • Abso would use the Harb hull
  • Nighthawk would use the Drake hull



    • You sold me on it.

    Seriously, this would be pretty cool.
    Kueyen
    Angharradh's Aegis
    #192 - 2013-06-02 11:59:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Kueyen
    Gallente: 200% approval for using the Myrmidon hull for the Eos. You will find few that oppose this (and they already got a Federation Navy Brutix, so deal with it!)

    Caldari: 200% approval for using the Drake hull for the Nighthawk. I honestly do not understand people that think the Drake is ugly. A Moa is ugly. An Imicus is ugly. A Drake is a bloody work of art! Are you perhaps letting your aesthetic senses be influenced by possible (somewhat obsolete) resentment for the overpowered, n00b-friendly blob-Drake of old?

    Minmatar: 200% approval for using the Hurricane hull for either the Sleipnir or the Claymore. I'm not married to either, but whichever is getting the Hurricane hull, will see me buying and flying it.

    Amarr: Neutrality and indifference towards using that other Amarr BC hull for one of those Amarr command ships. I don't fly Amarr, I can barely remember their names to begin with. But consistency demands that one of them changes.

    Also, remember that the plan is to make all Command Ships combat-worthy (and all of them link-worthy too), so that the former fleet CSs popularity will likely rise closer to the former field CS popularity.

    In preparation to these changes, I'm bumping Command Ships up in my training plan. So say we all! (well, most of us, anyway)

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    Antaeus Fantasy
    Korrupted Gaming
    #193 - 2013-06-02 12:01:04 UTC
    Fully support this idea.
    Sofia Wolf
    Ubuntu Inc.
    The Fourth District
    #194 - 2013-06-02 12:02:05 UTC
    CCP Fozzie wrote:
    This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.

    I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.

    It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.

    That would (potentially) mean:

  • Eos would use the Myrm hull
  • Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
  • Abso would use the Harb hull
  • Nighthawk would use the Drake hull

    • This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.

    So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?


    I presume this would also mean change in T2 research and manufacturing process/blueprints for those ships?

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    Sarmatiko
    #195 - 2013-06-02 12:02:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Sarmatiko
    Theodore Giumbix wrote:
    Draknishar wrote:
    Dear god, destroying the nighthawk? Why would you ever do something like that? :(

    Because having in Retribution 3 Ferox hulls and only 1 Drake hull or 3 Scorpion hulls and only 1 Rokh hull for Caldari sucks that's why.
    And because it makes more sens if the T1 hull is a missile boat, the Faction/T2 version to be a missile boat too.


    Now please tell to all inventors and manufacturers that they need to invest 2 billions into the new blueprint originals, just because some part of the community (not necessarily major part, we cant take forum posts/likes as precise statistics) wants totally unnecessary cosmetic changes.

    "Let's change only skins, leave blueprints alone" - oh no, folks. We are talking about "proper ship changes and immersion" here, am I right? Blueprints need to be changed and now this goes beyond "small cosmetic change" idea.

    If this change goes further then this will alienate most of current Sleipnir / Nighthawk pilots/fans.
    If someone already prefers current NH over Tengu then I don't think this person will take lightly change into ugly Drake.
    Mirrodin
    Aliastra
    Gallente Federation
    #196 - 2013-06-02 12:10:48 UTC
    As a command ship pilot, and a lover of the Myrm hull, I absolutely support this change. Do it!
    Iris Bravemount
    Golden Grinding Gears
    #197 - 2013-06-02 12:24:42 UTC
    CCP Fozzie wrote:
    This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.

    I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.

    It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.

    That would (potentially) mean:

  • Eos would use the Myrm hull
  • Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
  • Abso would use the Harb hull
  • Nighthawk would use the Drake hull

    • This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.

    So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?


    DO IT!

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    Verlaine Glariant
    The Kudur Cult
    #198 - 2013-06-02 12:25:09 UTC
    CCP Fozzie wrote:
    This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.

    I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.

    It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.

    That would (potentially) mean:

  • Eos would use the Myrm hull
  • Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
  • Abso would use the Harb hull
  • Nighthawk would use the Drake hull

    • This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.

    So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
    I think you should follow the Stealth Bombers example and create unique designs for T2 ships. Reusing hulls is pretty poor imho.

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    Jacob Holland
    Weyland-Vulcan Industries
    #199 - 2013-06-02 12:30:19 UTC
    SanshaGrey wrote:
    Jonas Sukarala wrote:
    all T2 hulls would be awesome with unique models based on the appropriate hull.


    +1. Sound cool for me. HACs do have different hulls, why shouldn't CS and AS have them? Just imagine Kestrel-based Hawk, Tristran-based Ishkur, not to mention Hurri-Sleip. Wouldn't that be AWESOME?

    Hurricane Sleipnir, I think I could support;
    Harbi Abso, Drake Nighthawk... Not so keen on those. The Abso is why the Prophecy hull exists and the Drake hull is just so bland.
    Myrm Eos I'm ambivilent about...

    But Tristan Ishkur? Kessie Hawk? No, never, the Merlin and Incursus are two of the coolest small hulls out there and they assault frigs should stay with them.
    Iris Bravemount
    Golden Grinding Gears
    #200 - 2013-06-02 12:30:26 UTC
    Destoya wrote:
    Alvatore DiMarco wrote:

    I'm fairly sure the Hurricane is more iconic.


    The alliance tournament community would like to respectfully disagree


    I don't want to offend anyone here, but that is a tiny part of the community as a whole.

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