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Veyer Erastus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#141 - 2013-06-02 05:48:34 UTC
Please, spare Sleipnir. It's one of the most beautiful Minm ships, with Cyclone being missile oriented and Claymore link oriented.
Sushi Nardieu
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#142 - 2013-06-02 06:06:52 UTC
not really that pumped for this change but I don't strongly oppose it either.

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Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#143 - 2013-06-02 06:15:44 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.

I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.

It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.

That would (potentially) mean:

  • Eos would use the Myrm hull
  • Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
  • Abso would use the Harb hull
  • Nighthawk would use the Drake hull

    • This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.

    So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?


    Please don't make my nighthawk ugly.
    DeLindsay
    Galaxies Fall
    #144 - 2013-06-02 06:17:49 UTC  |  Edited by: DeLindsay
    CCP Fozzie wrote:
    That would (potentially) mean:

  • Eos would use the Myrm hull
  • Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
  • Abso would use the Harb hull
  • Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
    • Do eet, DO IT NAOW!! The Myrmidon has always been my favorite ship and I would fly the EOS constantly if it looked like the Myrmidon but was a superior Drone Boat like the Devs have hinted at, with 125mb bandwidth and a Drone bay larger than the Myrm (but smaller than the Domi/Ishtar).

    Quote:
    Please don't make my nighthawk ugly.

    The Nighthawks is already ugly, but making it look like a Drake isn't all that much of an improvement. The Sleipnir as the Cane would be very nice.

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    Alejan Gerakh
    Scourge Wolf Syndicate
    #145 - 2013-06-02 06:19:13 UTC
    Veyer Erastus wrote:
    Please, spare Sleipnir. It's one of the most beautiful Minm ships, with Cyclone being missile oriented and Claymore link oriented.

    Considering they appear to be changing Command Ships so there won't be a 'link oriented' one or a 'dedicated combat' one, your last point seems moot.

    As for my opinion, as a Minmatar pilot and longtime fan and pilot of the Hurricane, I actually look forward to a proper Tech 2 variant in the form of a revised Sleipnir.

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    Siempre Duskwraith
    Sebiestor Tribe
    Minmatar Republic
    #146 - 2013-06-02 06:31:02 UTC
    So this is how I watch my beloved Nighthawk get it model changed to what I think is possibly the ugliest ship in the game. Cry

    Please don't. I have an alt just for the Nighthawk. If you are actually going to do this tell me now so I can cancel it. I wish I was kidding.
    Mara Rinn
    Cosmic Goo Convertor
    #147 - 2013-06-02 06:32:20 UTC
    Mara Pahrdi wrote:
    Also, as a Khanid pilot I have to add: Do not mess with the black beauty Twisted!


    The Damnation isn't on the list :P

    Both the Prophecy and Damnation are missile boats, so everything's just fine and dandy there!

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    Veyer Erastus
    The Scope
    Gallente Federation
    #148 - 2013-06-02 06:42:23 UTC
    Alejan Gerakh wrote:
    Veyer Erastus wrote:
    Please, spare Sleipnir. It's one of the most beautiful Minm ships, with Cyclone being missile oriented and Claymore link oriented.

    Considering they appear to be changing Command Ships so there won't be a 'link oriented' one or a 'dedicated combat' one, your last point seems moot.

    As for my opinion, as a Minmatar pilot and longtime fan and pilot of the Hurricane, I actually look forward to a proper Tech 2 variant in the form of a revised Sleipnir.


    If you read dev blog you know that Claymore is becoming missile ship. Which means there will be no Cyclone hull with projectile weaponry. You want some diversity in hulls - give cane model to Claymore. Than we will have projectile&missile canes and projectile&missile cyclones. Don't dump one of the most awesome Minmatar hulls on missile dump.
    PavlikX
    Scan Stakan
    HOLD MY PROBS
    #149 - 2013-06-02 06:58:14 UTC  |  Edited by: PavlikX
    As someone said before, prophecy hull looks like more armored, meantime harbinger is not. I don't like it.
    People voting "yes" for all 4 ships, meaning only one or two. If it possible it would be great if absolution will use the old hull.

    And yes, one more thing. People making compares about roles and weapons of t1 hulls. If t1 hull have missiles, t2 must have missiles too.
    With prophecy this works even better. Prophecy hull have armor resists bonuses, can be armed with missiles and laser turrets both. T2 variant looks like continuation of main idea in two directions.
    Jhon Brown
    Native Freshfood
    Minmatar Republic
    #150 - 2013-06-02 07:17:53 UTC
    Pretend the Sleipnir is the Launcher and just leave it alone P

    Hurricane is a beautiful hull, but I also really like the Cyclone. I vote to leave them as-is.
    Jeune
    The Scope
    Gallente Federation
    #151 - 2013-06-02 07:21:46 UTC
    CCP Fozzie wrote:


    That would (potentially) mean:

  • Eos would use the Myrm hull
  • Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
  • Abso would use the Harb hull
  • Nighthawk would use the Drake hull

    • ... what do you guys think?




    This. Now, if not sooner.
    Marlona Sky
    State War Academy
    Caldari State
    #152 - 2013-06-02 07:43:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Il Feytid
    CCP Fozzie wrote:

    • Eos would use the Myrm hull
    • Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
    • Abso would use the Harb hull
    • Nighthawk would use the Drake hull

    I think this needs to happen. Do it!
    SanshaGrey
    Data Retrieval Inc.
    #153 - 2013-06-02 07:56:48 UTC
    As I've already stated in my previous message I definitely like the idea of assigning different hulls for each and every t2 ship. Now I would like to say a word or two about it's implementation as I believe that current tiericide initiative produced some really good background for it.

    If we want to assign any t2 ship a [cool, shiny and AWESOME] hull that suits it's role, we really have to be able to answer two simple questions and those are: what role does that t2 ship have AND what hull suits that role best? The tiericide in it's current state got the second question covered - all hulls are now assigned distinct roles and are unlikely to change them in the foreseeable future. The first question is to be answered by the further tiericide as AFAIK CCP will sooner or later rebalance and tweak ALL ships in the game including faction and t2.

    One more important thing to notice is the Stealth Bomber case. As you surely know, SBs got nice new hulls that are based on t1 variants yet are touched by divine designers hand to become WAY cooler.

    I actually think it would be great to combine SB-like redesign and hull assignment and deliver small number of redesigned t2 ships with every expansion.

    So what do you think?
    Shereza
    Center for Advanced Studies
    Gallente Federation
    #154 - 2013-06-02 07:56:58 UTC
    Honestly, I loved the old 7 blaster 5 T2 heavy eos. Changing it over to the myrmidon hull might give it a "clean break" of sorts from its former glory and its transition to the CreoDron(e) ship it should have transitioned into when it was mauled (nerf is too kind), but in doing so it will lose all reason for restoring its chin dish. I miss that little doohickey. Sad

    That said...

    I think I'd rather see the field command ships use the (formerly) tier 3 BC hulls and incorporate the battleship-sized weapon aspect into their design from the start.

    Oracle -> Absolution
    Naga -> Nighthawk
    Talos -> Astarte
    Tornado -> Sleipnir

    Strictly speaking the Naga is counter-intuitive, and the Astarte on a brutix hull looks awesome, however if we were to delineate between fleet and field command based on function and assign battleship-sized guns to field command ships to help with that differentiation it makes a kind of sense to go this route. Also a Naga with cruise launchers up and down its arms/legs firing off volleys of 8 missiles a pop would just look awesome.

    That would leave the battlecruiser hulls that are not getting navy variants open for usage as the new fleet command hull.

    Myrmidon -> Eos
    Prophecy -> Damnation
    Ferox -> Vulture
    Cyclone -> Claymore

    At this point it might be worthwhile to consider consolidating ship design options between Boundless Creation and Core Complexion and splitting them up based on the dual weapon nature of Minmatar design philosophy. Specifically consider designing Core Complexion ships, and incidentally the Claymore, to make use of missile bonuses and have Boundless Creation handle the gun-bonused ships. Of course this would probably also require swapping the Hound out to be a CC ship instead of a BC ship as a result as it would make more sense to have the missile-oriented manufacturer handle the stealth bomber.

    Just some thoughts that I don't really expect to be popular, especially the idea of modifying field command ships to sport large turrets/launchers and mucking with Minmatar T2 ship design philosophy. Of course that latter group might not be too miffed given that the only Core Complexion ship that's seriously dedicated to gun-based damage is the Tempest Fleet Issue, and that ship's perhaps only a "kinda/sorta" CC ship. All the others have non-damaging combat aspects that might mesh better with missiles than projectiles. Might.
    Spyker Slater
    Bliksem Bende
    #155 - 2013-06-02 07:58:33 UTC
    CCP Fozzie wrote:

  • Eos would use the Myrm hull
  • Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
  • Abso would use the Harb hull
  • Nighthawk would use the Drake hull

    • I don't care too much about these, but if you guys touch my beautiful black Damnation, I'm rioting!
    Alvatore DiMarco
    Capricious Endeavours Ltd
    #156 - 2013-06-02 08:12:37 UTC
    Spyker Slater wrote:
    CCP Fozzie wrote:

  • Eos would use the Myrm hull
  • Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
  • Abso would use the Harb hull
  • Nighthawk would use the Drake hull

    • I don't care too much about these, but if you guys touch my beautiful black Damnation, I'm rioting!


    If you notice, the Damnation isn't in that list.
    Verity Sovereign
    Sebiestor Tribe
    Minmatar Republic
    #157 - 2013-06-02 08:33:37 UTC
    Meh, I like the look of the "tier 1" (though its now an outdated term) more than the Tier 2 BCs, so I'm going to give a mild no.
    Akrasjel Lanate
    Immemorial Coalescence Administration
    Immemorial Coalescence
    #158 - 2013-06-02 08:33:48 UTC
    I have no problem with those changes Roll

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    Morgan North
    Dark-Rising
    Wrecking Machine.
    #159 - 2013-06-02 08:38:50 UTC
    +1.

    All There is to it.

    Althought I'm more partial to the Claymore being the Hurricane hull, than the Sleipnir.
    Akrasjel Lanate
    Immemorial Coalescence Administration
    Immemorial Coalescence
    #160 - 2013-06-02 08:48:49 UTC
    CCP Fozzie wrote:
    Threestep wrote:
    I like it. Would they still keep their corp/paint schemes?


    Yes, they'd have the same paintjob as before, just with different hulls.

    The art guys have also been slowly updating many T2 ships to have modified geometry compared to the T2 hulls, so either way someday the command ships will likely end up being a bit different, but that would likely come later.

    Yay Smile

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