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About the Eos' model

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Xiao Zhanshi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#101 - 2013-06-02 00:36:18 UTC
I don't really use these forums, but I had to log in and comment on this thread: Please make this happen. Now I somewhat regret not skilling up to command ships before Odyssey.
Khoharis Asanari
Praetorian Guard of Honour
#102 - 2013-06-02 00:40:04 UTC
I'd really love to see the Nighthawk in a Drake hull!
Kenrailae
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#103 - 2013-06-02 00:40:39 UTC
Six Strangelove wrote:
To quote someone from another forum:

All the assault ships follow the 'one hull per race' rule
All the recon ships follow the 'one hull per race' rule
All the interceptors follow the 'one hull per race' rule


Admittedly the HACs don't, so let's just ignore them for the sake of the argument. Roll

To me the Sleipnir and Absolution are iconic, their hulls part of their personality. I know this theoretical new Sleipnicane and Absobinger would probably have the same stats and be flown the same way, but if things are just being done for appearance's sake, I'd just soon enough be keeping the old appearances.

Also the Prophecy hull looks a lot better than the Harb's.




The Prophecy looks more defensive than the Harb, yes. The Harb has a much leaner, aggressive appearance, IMO. You could probably just pretty much do a random draw out of a hat at this point and it wouldn't make too much difference though, seeing how much ships are changing courtesy Tiericide. I mean, not so long ago the Cyclone was a turret/neut boat more than anything else, though there were certainly people that went turret/missiles. Ferox has been known to fit AC's quite often despite it's bonuses to hybrids, and the Myrm.... well.... Jack of all trades, but a fine ship all the same, capable of doing anything except fit missiles(which they should, just because they can do everything else lol). CCP could Easily go any direction with this, but a million times yes, use all 8 hulls for the command ships :D

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Kuning
Obstergo
Red Coat Conspiracy
#104 - 2013-06-02 00:40:52 UTC
Please don't touch my Sleipnir.

Thanks
SMT008
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#105 - 2013-06-02 00:42:06 UTC
I'm all for it Fozzie !

Yes, even for the Sleipnir change. There are currently 3 Cyclone hulls and a single Hurricane hull. Wouldn't hurt to have a T2 Cane.

Cool
Six Strangelove
Quam Singulari
#106 - 2013-06-02 00:44:17 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
...and it only seems completely logical.


Logical, perhaps. But needed?

I like these ships as they are, thanks.

This idea feels more like DB housekeeping than gameplay enhancement.
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#107 - 2013-06-02 00:51:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Alvatore DiMarco
Six Strangelove wrote:
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
...and it only seems completely logical.


Logical, perhaps. But needed?

I like these ships as they are, thanks.

This idea feels more like DB housekeeping than gameplay enhancement.


Sometimes a little houskeeping is necessary instead of just constantly adding new things. This is especially true with CCP's new focus on making ship progression obvious and having new players able to tell which ship leads to which.

To be fair though, who's to say that having a Kaalakiota Drake won't enhance some Nighthawk pilot's gameplay or that some Eos pilot won't love their ship even more as a black-and-blue CreoDron Myrmidon? Maybe that Sleipnir pilot you narrowly defeated will feel more psyched flying a T2 Hurricane and be the one who wins next time. "Gameplay Enhancement" isn't always the same thing to everyone.
Boltorano
Distinguished Gentleman's Boating Club
The Phoenix Aberration
#108 - 2013-06-02 00:51:17 UTC
This has been an obvious thing to do for years.

Do it!
Sanadras Riahn
Riahn Perimeter Holdings
#109 - 2013-06-02 00:51:50 UTC
This has my vote; I like the idea of having multiple hulls for Command Ships.

Tradition defines and shapes a person, but should be evaluated frequently; far too often does Tradition no longer help, but hobble a person and stunt their growth. Especially a Capsuleer.

Sarrdonous
The Drake Is A Lie
#110 - 2013-06-02 00:57:42 UTC
I'm a long time Sleipnir pilot, and as iconic as the current hull may be, it doesn't make me want to see it with a Hurricane hull any less. It would be quite awesome.

I'm voting in favor of this change, and would like to see this happen.
Oddsodz
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#111 - 2013-06-02 00:59:42 UTC
Eos in a Myrmidon hull would make me scrrem with joy like a little girl. Or wait. I am a little girl

(not really)
MyrddinBishop
NOMADS.
#112 - 2013-06-02 01:02:50 UTC
Would love to see the EOS as a Myrmidon Hull on the other hand not too keen on seeing my Sleipnir looking like a Hurricane. Not sure exactly why I feel that way I just do. However if I have to fly a Command ship that looks like the Cane to get a Myrmidon style CS I will take it.
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#113 - 2013-06-02 01:09:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Alvatore DiMarco
Thought I'd take a tally. As of this post, it looks like this:

In Support of: ~77

Opposed to: ~17
Aarin Wrath
Dominion Strategic
#114 - 2013-06-02 01:09:18 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.

I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.

It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.

That would (potentially) mean:

  • Eos would use the Myrm hull
  • Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
  • Abso would use the Harb hull
  • Nighthawk would use the Drake hull

  • This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.

    So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?


    Hypothetically ... sounds like a great idea to me ... Big smile
    Ketplunk
    Glory-Hole
    #115 - 2013-06-02 01:14:43 UTC
    CCP Fozzie wrote:
    This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.

    I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.

    It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.

    That would (potentially) mean:

  • Eos would use the Myrm hull
  • Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
  • Abso would use the Harb hull
  • Nighthawk would use the Drake hull

  • This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.

    So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?


    Sounds awesome, though I do love the Nighthawk the way it is :P
    Aquila Sagitta
    Blue-Fire
    #116 - 2013-06-02 01:21:49 UTC
    sliep = hurricane hull?

    YES YES YES YES

    I love the hurricane hull and this would give me a reason to fly the hull again Big smile
    Erik Leifsson
    Mar Tech Industries
    #117 - 2013-06-02 01:25:45 UTC
    Definitely a yes to this
    Xhieron
    Sanctum Mercatoris
    #118 - 2013-06-02 01:32:17 UTC
    T2 Myrm is something from on high, no doubt. That said, my only hesitation is rooted in the possibility of another class of T2 BCs coming down the pipe post-Odyssey. Maybe not likely, but never impossible, and I wouldn't want to see the long-term result of this change be greater confusion for new pilots. "So, wait, two of them turn into Command ships? What about the third one? Oh. ... Why didn't they just make the second one something else too?"

    Sure, HACs don't make much sense post-tiericide either, but at least with Cruiser hulls you've got a half dozen hulls per race and plenty of other T2 options. For BCs, Command is all there is right now. Imagine if each race had two Marauder hulls and one BLOPS. Would be a little weird. And yes, I realize Fleet and Field aren't the same thing, but now with this patch things are going from a fuzzy distinction to a different kind of fuzzy distinction.

    I think if this change goes through, you might as well bite the bullet and develop a third Command ship for the remaining BC hulls. If you don't though--and you've got good cause not to--I'd be very interested to see what the eventual non-Command T2 BC looks like.

    Having said all that, I wholly endorse a T2 Myrm. ... Also a Talos and Hyperion. When you get around to it.
    Alvatore DiMarco
    Capricious Endeavours Ltd
    #119 - 2013-06-02 01:34:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Alvatore DiMarco
    Xhieron wrote:
    T2 Myrm is something from on high, no doubt. That said, my only hesitation is rooted in the possibility of another class of T2 BCs coming down the pipe post-Odyssey. Maybe not likely, but never impossible, and I wouldn't want to see the long-term result of this change be greater confusion for new pilots. "So, wait, two of them turn into Command ships? What about the third one? Oh. ... Why didn't they just make the second one something else too?"

    Sure, HACs don't make much sense post-tiericide either, but at least with Cruiser hulls you've got a half dozen hulls per race and plenty of other T2 options. For BCs, Command is all there is right now. Imagine if each race had two Marauder hulls and one BLOPS. Would be a little weird. And yes, I realize Fleet and Field aren't the same thing, but now with this patch things are going from a fuzzy distinction to a different kind of fuzzy distinction.

    I think if this change goes through, you might as well bite the bullet and develop a third Command ship for the remaining BC hulls. If you don't though--and you've got good cause not to--I'd be very interested to see what the eventual non-Command T2 BC looks like.

    Having said all that, I wholly endorse a T2 Myrm. ... Also a Talos and Hyperion. When you get around to it.


    While ship design in terms of actual game balance and mechanics is outside the scope of this thread, I do want to say that it's probably worth being afraid of whatever the ABCs turn into as T2 variants. That raises the answer to your hesitation, though. If a third command ship for each race is introduced, there are already the ABC hulls that can be used.
    Galphii
    Caldari Provisions
    Caldari State
    #120 - 2013-06-02 01:36:01 UTC
    I definitely want to see the hulls switched. I know it's extra work for the team, but players really appreciate graphical nuances like this. A modified drake hull to become a nighthawk, along with command ship fixes, would be sexy!

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