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*Sigh*

The response we got in the feedback thread in Test was that some of our concerns would be addressed in this blog. This Blog is depressing, as it seems the many many valid concerns people voiced were mostly ignored and are now just being repeated here.

Issues with this "exploration" expansion (I am tempted to call it a nerf) are as follows, in no particular order:

1) Auto-recalling probes. No for so many reasons including: Ruining our suspended disbelief, keeping consequences for stupidity/inattention, economy, legitimate reasons to leave probes out.

2) Loot pinatas. My wrists hate them, they are psychologically discouraging, the interface is poorly designed for the mechanic. We are used to RNGs, we have a long standing love hate relationship. Leave the dynamic invisible so we can continue cursing at / praying to our RNG god instead of watching our shiny loot dissapear before our eyes.

3) Changing grav sites to anomolies. The multiple reasons have all been listed many times over, and it's just another ill-conceived change. Just seems like a backwards change, and it's especially depressing because the ice belts being anoms seems like a lost opportunity to increase the importance of exploration. Making them sigs would have been a very interesting change.

4) Blocking Tengus out of 4/10s. While I do not disagree with the intent behind this change, it is a faulty approach. First off 4/10s are in lowsec, Tengus should not be locked out of lowsec sites. Second, it makes no sense to block T3s but to allow a plethora of much larger ships into the same site. Third, it will not fix the problem I assume you are trying to address in hisec as people will simply switch to ships that are similarly capable. The removal of DSPs removes the necessity of an expanded probe launcher so Tengus have already lost one of their primary advantages for this application making this transition even easier.


5) DSPs, but it has already been made quite obvious that no action or arguement from your player base will under any circumstances affect your resolve to remove them.

You know what a great approach would have been?

If you want to remove DSP filtering, just either normalize or randomize all signature strengths (Which you seem to have done anyway). WH residents still would have freaked out at you, but if you normalize them you could leave WH sigs as is and everyone is happy.

If you want to stop Tengu's from farming 4/10s in hisec, remove 4/10s from hisec. Removing DSP filtering also would have affected this.

I think the worst part though is just the dissapinted feeling after waiting so long for exploration to get new content. (Most) explorers were looking for some minor interface tweaks and a new feature or two and everyone would have been overjoyed.I believe exploration is the system/profession with the most untapped potential in eve, but instead of adding content, mixing up the difficulty of sites, mixing up the distribution of sites or acting on any of the many many great ideas that have been proposed and discussed. Instead we get a system revamp that few if any wanted, and are left to feel we were better off if everything was just left alone.

That is a very depressing thought, as it feels as though there is nothing to look forward to in exploration.

As it is currently on Sisi: it retains your pattern only after a session change (and probably expiration, but I haven't tested this one). If you just recall your probes while staying in system, and launch them again, your configuration is lost. It works if you manually recall AND jump/dock though, so it looks like it's still being worked on.

But at least, now, activating the launcher after a manual recall of the probes will drop them one on top of another, as it currently works on TQ, if none of the preset formations has been selected prior to that. I don't know if this will stay like this however.

Probes getting in the cargo automatically if jumping, docking or expiring sucks tbh. It is dumbing down EVE.
The function of DSP was not replaced by anything. Why?

The auto recall of probes is a bad idea and needs to removed .

1. breaks current combat probing strategies used to probe multiple systems.

2. is against the underlying principals of the eve economy.

i know you guys are trying to make it more accessible but at least give those who use probing in a more advanced fashion, a option to turn off auto recall .

Also deep space probes need to be discussed to many good points have been brought up in light of their removal .

at the very least consider including their functionality in some form, into the new system .


And last , please let us scan down wrecks !!

Nice changes. I've always been sad too few newbies started eve by running exploration. I hope it will bring more players to it.

I just hope w-space mag and radar won't be too messed up.

Also, can you still copy/paste the signature list?

I have removed some rule breaking posts and let some a lot of edgecases stay.

Please people, keep it constructive, on topic and above all civil!


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I don't know if it's the right place to ask this but maybe you can answer it anyways.

Are there still gas sites with hacking containers in them? (the pirate facility sites)

For Odyssey CCP tweaked some exploration modules such as Purloined Sansha Codebreaker, making it most effective codebreaker in the game.

Is there any plans to make Echelon actually flyable by adding at least 1 utility high slot for probe launcher or turning it into T1 exploration frigate?

Just fyi, turning ore sites into anomalies makes them worse, not better. Highsec sites will be swarmed over by the huge numbers of miners (I'd hardly call that exploration) lowsec and w-space sites will be giant 'target me' signs, and in nullsec they'll be 'just another belt' with nothing in there not already available in regular belts (except in shallow nullsec - which is just as bad as lowsec).

Bad change.

I love how devs will almost exclusively respond to the happy fluffy "atta boy" comments and not respond to any of the myriad of others. They will respond to questions that do not express an opinion for or against. But if you are clearly in the against camp... don't hold your breath waiting for a response.

We are on page 9 and at least half of these posts address the same 3-4 issues / concerns. Do they respond to any of these or god forbid add an original response saying "We see 147 people up to this point have expressed concern about X. Here are our thoughts / explanations / plans". No.

If it is not a happy fluffy CCP is the greatest... or at a minimum a carefully neutral question, you are unlikely to get a response.

WTF do we even bother....