Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I do not really get the nerf of the Moros (probably biased as I trained for it) and I do not understand the nerf of the Naglfar at all.

Support fleets will be much more important you WILL NEED subcap support pilots on the field which is good for players with lower skill points.

Why not balance them in a way that the different dreads fill different roles on the field?

Yep, a ship made for pos bashing that can't hit a pos without range modules is not logical.

This thread strikes me as a solution to dreads shooting sub caps but criteria are needed to shoot them with siege dreads:

1: The target has multiple target painters on it
2: The target is webed by multiple webs

Add into that people just love MWD's and you have a really nice situation of dread kills subs.


Solution:

Add the E-war penalties that the triage module gets to the siege module (E-war capacitor need bonus = 9,999,900% ) this prevents the dread doing one of or both the afore mentioned points farming them out to a supporting fleet.

Adjust siege module stats ( E.g. tracking speed bonus -15% scan resolution bonus - 80% / T2 siege tracking speed bonus -10% scan resolution bonus - 75% Damage multiplier bonus 800% ).

Increase the stacking penalties of damage and tracking modules.

Leave the X-L guns alone

This was mentioned somewhere else too: Why do you want to make the dreads the same?

In subcapitals, different ship classes give them different roles: consider BS, AF, bomber, recons, etc. etc. etc. If you are not going to introduce new capitals for different roles, perhaps you could spread the roles based on race.

- Moros: The short range blap specialist (nerf the blaster range).
- Rev: The dps projection specialist (improve on that line).
- Nag: The tanky dread? The alpha dread? (improve on that line)
- Phoenix: The POS basher (+40% dmg but only on stationary targets or titan-sized ones)

Or something like that. It's too simplistic to have all dreads do the same thing equally well. It's not rock-paper-scissors. Make people want to choose a dread based on its intended role. Or, of course, you can introduce tons of capitals and give them different roles... but this would just be easier and wouldn't get everyone so mad.

We forgot to mention the 40km nuet t1 armageddon coming 4th june.... last thing is needed right now is a dread nerf.
(ninja dread nerf 17days beofre patch)

Don't worry, Moros will still have superior DPS (the forgotten art of changing ammo) at all ranges and still have the best tracking of all dreads.

POS bashing? Have you heard of the secret art of Changing ammo to something else than antimatter. You will still deal more dps than the other turret dreads.

But in serious note, this is partly a change in the right direction (not sure about the projectile tracking change) but not enough. The Moros will still outdps and "out track" the Revelation at Any reasonable range with blaster vs pulse. If it was just a minor difference it would be ok but the dps difference is just way too much.

But what is the problem with capital pulse lasers? IMO the problem with Capital lasers is here (Current TQ values)

Neutron blaster cannon I Optimal 6000m -> Ion Siege Blaster Cannon I Optimal 30000m (5x Increase)

800mm Repeating Artillery I Optimal 4000m -> 6x2500mm Repeating artillery I Optimal 25000m (6.25x Increase)

Mega Pulse Laser I Optimal 20000m -> Dual Giga Pulse Laser I Optimal 37500m (1,875x Increase)

...Wait, what? Pulses have their "spot" in large weapons due to good range. All capital weapons have their dps increased roughly in the same ratio vs large counterparts but Capital pulses got shafted at range.
Capital Blasters have roughly the same range as Capital pulses while retaining their DPS and tracking superiority.

6,666% increase in optimal isnt simply enough, unless you buff Revelations DPS you need to increase the range by a large amount, more like 50% increase in optimal range than 6.666%. Not sure what that would do to Avatar so the buff might be in the revelations hull.

Revelation would excell at mid-long range but outdamaged and tracked by moros and naglfar at short range. Remember the moros still deals 40% more dps than revelation at close range. Revelation SHOULD be able to outdmg the moros at longer ranges with Pulses, which it currenly doesnt (and won't do with these proposed changes)

I understand the topic says X-L Weapons Rebalance but you said this is to bring Dreads in balance with each other amirite? Then why affect a whole other class of ships? Back to Avatars!

Because CCP Fozzie is formerly PL - PL likes amarr ships - all his changes are setup to make amarr more ubber - CCP goes along with it because it make US players spend more time training for the next "flavor" of the patch so we keep our subscriptions up. capice?

Changes to make Amarr uber? You mean the resistance nerfs to about half of the amarr ships? That 1km extra optimal range sure is going to make the Revelation 'uber'.

You know not of what you speak.