Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Fozzie, here are my issues:

1) Titans are not going to be looked at for another 8-16 years according to the schedule. By changing titan guns you are making a balance decision without considering the effect it will have on ships you aren't currently looking at. If you have looked at the state of titans recently you will see they don't need a nerf to tracking (there is no such thing as a tracking titan), or optimal.

2) You are bringing the capital guns into line with each other, nothing wrong with that, but you have chosen to balance around the lower tracking guns rather than the higher tracking -- effectively nerfing tracking on all capital guns. This makes the moros in particular very difficult to use for PVE, was this intended? If it was intended, why was it not mentioned as a motivation in the post?

3) The optimal on the moros with antimatter is now smaller than a POS shield. If their role is shooting structures this makes no sense.

4) The nag has better optimal than the moros, this is out of line with other autocannons.

I hope these changes are start of a larger capital rebalance, it's certainly very long overdue.

Most fits don't have room for 4 tracking computers, and tracking enhancers are getting nerfed. Most of the time you will have to downgrade to the next ammo, which will half your DPS, making the other dreads more effective in practice.

Edit: Just run some numbers in EFT. With 4 tracking computers you can get an optimal of 15km, which means if you're at 0 on the bubble you will JUST be able to hit it. No amount of tracking mods will get you 20km optimal though, so if you're more than 1 or 2 km away from the shield (as you will be) you will be in falloff.

I'm pretty sure these numbers are wrong. In fact, I make it no change to DPS at 32 km with no tracking mods and antimatter, thanks to increased falloff.

Edit for maths:

Losing 10 km optimal and gaining 10 km falloff takes optimal from 33 km to 23 km, and falloff from 15 km to 25 km. Add skills - gives 28.75 km and 31.25 km. Add antimatter, gives 14.4 km optimal, 31.25 km falloff. Net result: no change to DPS at 31 km.

But this doesn't match Fozzie's statement of losing 3% DPS at 31 km with two TCs, so I dunno what's going on, lol.

Your maths is a little bit off. You have taken the current 21km optimal with antimatter and no tracking mods, used tracking mods to get it up to 33, then subtracted 10. To get the correct figure you need to start with 21, subtract 10, THEN apply the tracking mods (which brings you close to 15km).

At best tracking modules give about 1.5x the optimal. Currently that is 1.5 * 21 = 30 (roughly). After the changes it will be 1.5 * 11 = 15 (roughly).

U can't hit a Super cap with a Naglfar with transversal over 40 ,thats include 2 Tracking Enhancer and 1 Tracking Comp !!
After this nerf u will hit nothing what is moving around your Dread.

So what is the role from a dread now please . . . struc-bash nothing else,i dont think its realy ur target.

And btw CCP,please stopp this useless crap aka new Jumpanimation for Odysee,after 3 Jumps you'll get seasick and after 10 Jumps you're on the puke

I'm sensing a bit of a reality disconnect here. I think perhaps that maybe CCP doesn't want you to project dps with Antimatter XL. They don't like the Moros' crazy damage projection. Why? It's a close range ammo, which for blasters, means extremely close range. Moros dps was out of control at longer ranges. Moros can project meaningful damage out to 100km with blasters. It's not perfect, obviously, but it's not terrible, either. With blasters. "Close range" turrets. It seems like you're asking for keeping the tracking the same with the range element. Where, then, is this reigning the Moros back in line with the others? It really just seems like you want to keep the current, overpowered version of the flavor of the month, and you're sad that it's changing. I don't blame you. I'm sad the Moros is changing, too, but I understand why it has to happen. :)

Also, read your PL manual again: you send *your* bombers out.....you're not actually supposed to fly in one. That's what the EVR pilots do. :P

But if you really want to LOL about something, you should reflect for a minute that you just said that Caps force people into "huge blobby coalitions" and then think that you guys normally blob the hell out of fights with Supers. That's worth an lol.

#PLproblems

Jesus, some people seriously fly off in a mad rage.

The moros is the only good one because of this. Levelling the playing field isnt a bad thing.

good change. about time.

cry harder

Moros should be able to melt the face of stuff close to its nose
Nag and Rev should be comparable
Apparently there's a fourth dread?

Ok... so without optimal range scripts loaded, the moros will now have a stunning:
15km with antimatter

WTF? You're joking, right? Yes, you are putting the falloff up to 30km after skills, but that still makes this pretty much useless for WH combat. If we load 3 tracking comps with range scripts, this will bump it up to 22km optimal and 65km falloff. At this point, you have turned the moros into a naglfar copycat (with 3 optimal scripts, the nag gets 25+75). So at what point then is the nag actually going to be better than a moros now? Even with -15% to tracking, the moros will still track better than the nag, and the revelation. The only ship that comes out well in this deal is the revelation, and that is only because it can still use multifrequency at all times.

A nerf to tracking is understandable, but the rest of the changes are just stupid. And overall - this will not reduce dread blapping in the least. The only change is maybe 1 extra target painter needed.

-Arazel