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[Odyssey] X-L Weapons Balance

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Tarsas Phage
Sniggerdly
#101 - 2013-05-17 18:40:24 UTC
Vincent Gaines wrote:
Tarsas Phage wrote:

Oh stop being a sniveling weasel. Training Cap Hybrid Turret is +5% damage per level, which this change doesn't effect. You still get 5% more damage. The base damage of the turrets themselves hasn't changed.

Try investing in some tracking implants and boosters instead of this very unbecoming public display of indignation.


That's right folks, spend 200mil on implants and hardwires (even if you have something in the slot), and don't forget to take boosters which still haven't been fixed.

Just don't get podded.


They're there. Use them.

Also: Wormholer complaining about the price of something el oh el.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#102 - 2013-05-17 18:42:06 UTC
Vincent Gaines wrote:
Tarsas Phage wrote:

Oh stop being a sniveling weasel. Training Cap Hybrid Turret is +5% damage per level, which this change doesn't effect. You still get 5% more damage. The base damage of the turrets themselves hasn't changed.

Try investing in some tracking implants and boosters instead of this very unbecoming public display of indignation.


That's right folks, spend 200mil on implants and hardwires (even if you have something in the slot), and don't forget to take boosters which still haven't been fixed.

Just don't get podded.


Meh I put snakes in a dram clone... Grow a pair.

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Enochia Starr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#103 - 2013-05-17 18:42:16 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Enochia Starr wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Johnny thorir wrote:
RIP moros


It's still the best one tbh.



Stop trying to fix things that are perfectly fine now..

Now you've just ruined lowsec fights, thanks m8.

RIP EVE


lol, not being able to own everything as reliably with dropping dreads ruins low sec pvp? Terrible.



Says Shadow Cartel who uses blap dreads like they're going out of style

Yep.
Vincent Gaines
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#104 - 2013-05-17 18:43:22 UTC
Tarsas Phage wrote:

Also: Wormholer complaining about the price of something el oh el.


Considering cap escalations will be MUCH more difficult now, the isk will be less.

Bear in mind that this will also affect everyone's T3s. Your prices will rise as supply dwindles.


Also, we tend to get podded quite a bit (it's the most effective way to remove someone from the fight given it's often in their hole)

Not a diplo. 

The above post was edited for spelling.
NinjaStyle
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#105 - 2013-05-17 18:43:58 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Hello once again everyone. We've got a small package of tweaks to capital weapons to announce, intended to help bring us a little bit closer to balance between the different dreadnoughts.

For the most part you all know the major balance problems with the class, the relative dominance of the Moros and the fact that the Phoenix has extreme difficulty applying damage to moving targets, even a moving carrier. These changes apply directly to the capital blasters, autocannons and pulse lasers, as well as to the siege modules themselves.

These changes are not expected to bring the class into perfect balance, but it should be a step in the right direction and be something we can build upon as we go forward.

X-L Blasters: -15% tracking, -10km optimal, +10km falloff

X-L Autocannons: -10% tracking

X-L Pulses: +6.666% optimal

Citadel missiles: Remove the explosion velocity penalty from siege modules

Let us know what you think!


15% tracking is alot on an allready low tracking amount... ALOT!
Mr Floydy
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#106 - 2013-05-17 18:45:59 UTC
Naomi Knight wrote:
Oh and maybe fix that shooting a pos shield doesnt require you to lock/shot the pos itself under it .That +20km realy hurts some weapon systems.

Now this, would be an epic change. It would make a huge amount of sense, look a hell of a lot better and open up some large changes to POS warfare.
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#107 - 2013-05-17 18:47:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
Kacer Xenro wrote:
Oh great, i just finished Siege 5 for a moros.

Now crosstraining into amarr


While I'm guessing thats somewhat in jest - theres a fair point in there - Eve has always been about playing the long game and far too many changes recently have made a big difference to things people will have spent time working and planning towards. Eventually people may become reluctant to invest too much in working towards a long term goal in Eve (and possibly lose interest in the game) wary of arbitary changes making all their efforts a waste of time before or shortly after getting there. To a certain extent its unavoidable but its something that seems to have been forgotten a little too much of late.
Incindir Mauser
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#108 - 2013-05-17 18:50:44 UTC


We're almost there.

One day the Phoenix will rise from it's ashes and claim it's rightful place as Lord of Dreadnaughts!

Muhahaha.

*rubs hands*
Max Von Sydow
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#109 - 2013-05-17 18:51:42 UTC
Roime wrote:
Mr Floydy wrote:
To all those going "wah wah wah you always nerf Gallente"


CCP hates Gallente, Caldari, Amarr and Minmatar according to the players.


CCP loves the jove.
Grarr Dexx
Blue Canary
Watch This
#110 - 2013-05-17 18:52:17 UTC
Vincent Gaines wrote:
RIFT TORPEDO EXPLOSION VELOCITY: 20m/s WITHOUT SIEGE MODULE PENALTY

AEON VELOCITY: 60m/s

CAN YOU SEE THE PROBLEM?



43.5 after bonuses are applied. Also, how often will you see motherships actually moving? lol
Mr Floydy
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#111 - 2013-05-17 18:55:17 UTC
Sisohiv wrote:
Wormhole PvE will now be done with a Carrier and the Dread will sit in stations and collect dust, like they did for years.

In case anyone is wondering why they are 'balancing' XL weapons.


lol. You carry on believing that ;)

Tarsas Phage wrote:
They're there. Use them.

Also: Wormholer complaining about the price of something el oh el.

Puzzled by that comment, I thought us wormholers are usually accused of having too much isk to spend! :D
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#112 - 2013-05-17 19:01:52 UTC
Vincent Gaines wrote:
Tarsas Phage wrote:

Also: Wormholer complaining about the price of something el oh el.


Considering cap escalations will be MUCH more difficult now, the isk will be less.

Bear in mind that this will also affect everyone's T3s. Your prices will rise as supply dwindles.


Also, we tend to get podded quite a bit (it's the most effective way to remove someone from the fight given it's often in their hole)


If the price goes back up maybe I'll start farming in C2s again. Currently I'm "just making ends meet" with patch speculation trading. I think I could buy and fit a Titan with the last one. Blink

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Dez Affinity
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#113 - 2013-05-17 19:02:45 UTC
Rroff wrote:
Kacer Xenro wrote:
Oh great, i just finished Siege 5 for a moros.

Now crosstraining into amarr


While I'm guessing thats somewhat in jest - theres a fair point in there - Eve has always been about playing the long game and far too many changes recently have made a big difference to things people will have spent time working and planning towards. Eventually people may become reluctant to invest too much in working towards a long term goal in Eve (and possibly lose interest in the game) wary of arbitary changes making all their efforts a waste of time before or shortly after getting there. To a certain extent its unavoidable but its something that seems to have been forgotten a little too much of late.


People have been saying this about changes since I started playing in 2006.
Mr Floydy
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#114 - 2013-05-17 19:03:57 UTC
The only way to avoid people training up to something that ends up disappointing would be to never change anything in the game.
Does anyone really want that? Thought not.
iskflakes
#115 - 2013-05-17 19:06:46 UTC
This nerf is too extreme.

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jiaulina
State War Academy
Caldari State
#116 - 2013-05-17 19:10:31 UTC
Citadel missiles: Remove the explosion velocity penalty from siege modules
Only for cruise missiles or does it work for torpedoes too?

That penalty just doesn't make any sense, i see no logical reason why that penalty should even be there in the first place.

If it's removed for torps too, then good job, phoenixes are finally a bit more useful :) +1 ♥
Galmas
United System's Commonwealth
#117 - 2013-05-17 19:13:24 UTC
Two step wrote:
These changes are a good start. I think all dreads (except for lolPhoenix) will still be blapping, but I am happy to see how much this impacts things before further changes are made...


totally agree, after some quick calcs i think it will not really change anything, at least for BS blapping.
Powers Sa
#118 - 2013-05-17 19:14:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Powers Sa
I hate to be a whiner, but can you tell me why this is not an instance of "instead of fixing a platform, I pair back existing successful systems". I'm sorry, but i'm new to the concept of game design and balance.

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Makalu Zarya
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
#119 - 2013-05-17 19:20:43 UTC
if you are gonna nerf the moros then nerf the moros, don't make a useless ship. I haven't done the math but seriously...everyone has a moros because it's the best dread...now everyone is gonna have to get rid of them with no buyers?...great
Grarr Dexx
Blue Canary
Watch This
#120 - 2013-05-17 19:22:24 UTC
Makalu Zarya wrote:
if you are gonna nerf the moros then nerf the moros, don't make a useless ship. I haven't done the math but seriously...everyone has a moros because it's the best dread...now everyone is gonna have to get rid of them with no buyers?...great


How is this too extreme? They are still going to be great for short range damage, it's just that now it won't be that much more supreme to the Revelation in every ******* way. Also, welcome to the price for FOTM.