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[Odyssey] X-L Weapons Balance

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#61 - 2013-05-17 17:49:02 UTC
wallenbergaren wrote:
Nerfing the Moros tracking is fine, it could be nerfed more TBH, but why gut the optimal? You can't even hit a large POS in optimal with close range ammo now. Kind of silly IMO.


use plut or thorium...

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Tasha Saisima
Doomheim
#62 - 2013-05-17 17:49:48 UTC
Why not leave the moros alone and buff the others? Can blasters still blap battleships with this change?
Ian Harms
Troll Legion
#63 - 2013-05-17 17:50:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Ian Harms
CCP Fozzie wrote:
[quote=wallenbergaren]Nerfing the Moros tracking is fine, it could be nerfed more TBH, but why gut the optimal? You can't even hit a large POS in optimal with close range ammo now. Kind of silly IMO.


Capital Hybrid Turret V is a long skill train dude - And now you are proposing to take away most of my time investment for that skill level?

Edit - since you are taking away most the the bonus for training it to level V, can I has my investment SP back?
Joe Public
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#64 - 2013-05-17 17:50:46 UTC
Excellent changes.

Also...
Aliventi wrote:
Any chance of getting T2 XL Guns and ammo?
pierre arthos
Overload This
Escalation Theory
#65 - 2013-05-17 17:51:50 UTC
-15% tracking I'm fine with, but -10km optimal for XL Blasters? Come on guys, be serious. -5km tops or GTFO.
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#66 - 2013-05-17 17:54:23 UTC
i trained the overpowered flavor of the month and it got nerfed i demand you compensate me
Rana Tekkren
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#67 - 2013-05-17 17:55:38 UTC
Nerf, nerf, nerf.

The only thing that is happening lately with ship "balancing" is nerfing the **** out of everything ppl. train for.
Strata Maslav
Heretic Army
Sedition.
#68 - 2013-05-17 17:56:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Strata Maslav
PirateAs a WH lvl 5 Gallente Dread pilot this hurts but I not upset as this nerf was a required for balance.

On string of captial balance do feel that supercapitals need great vulnerabilities to sub capitals to force alliance to support supercaptials with smaller ships or risk massive vulnerability.
Grarr Dexx
Blue Canary
Watch This
#69 - 2013-05-17 17:57:47 UTC
pierre arthos wrote:
-15% tracking I'm fine with, but -10km optimal for XL Blasters? Come on guys, be serious. -5km tops or GTFO.


-10 optimal but +10 falloff, don't warp it.
PinkKnife
The Cuddlefish
Ethereal Dawn
#70 - 2013-05-17 17:59:25 UTC
Love the changes, would like to see the phoenix improved a bit more, but the bloros was ridiculously over powered and over shadowed every thing else on the field to the point of absurdity. It became the only cap to field outside the "meh" revelation that you would see only because it shared an armor tank.
Bocephus Morgen
The Suicide Kings
Deepwater Hooligans
#71 - 2013-05-17 18:00:32 UTC
CCP continues to hate Gallente.
TheButcherPete
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#72 - 2013-05-17 18:00:34 UTC
Well, there goes my PVE Moros... tracking was everything and it could barely keep up... now it's not worth it

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Javon Bars
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#73 - 2013-05-17 18:02:39 UTC
Bagehi wrote:
Javon Bars wrote:
Was there such an uptick in Naglfar use to warrant nerfing XL autocannons? I get it that the Moros needed nerfing because was so far ahead of the others and everyone just switched to it but the Nag?

Just seems like you're removing an incentive for people to use the Nag, which is already a very underused hull despite the recent changes.


Have you played around with the new Nag yet?


Yeah, I was planning on switching to it once I got my revs blown up. My argument was that even like this very few people use it, it wasn't a bad thing to keep it like it is because it was an incentive to increase the variety of ships on the field.
Dez Affinity
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#74 - 2013-05-17 18:03:17 UTC
This is what you guys get for using capitals and super capitals in PvP!

Structure grinding ONLY! Learn your lesson already would ya!
Skia Aumer
Planetary Harvesting and Processing LLC
#75 - 2013-05-17 18:07:19 UTC
Finally, some good nerf here.
But why dont you keep XL weapon stats proportional to their sub-capital counterparts? Why all of a sudden XL autocannons and blasters have almost the same optimal and falloff, while with large guns the difference is 2-fold?
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#76 - 2013-05-17 18:07:57 UTC
Seems mostly a pointless change to me - won't make much odds to capital on capital action except in some maybe fringe cases, won't really have any impact on dread blapping if properly supported, slightly brings the nag and moros inline with each other for PVE use - but again nerfing everything towards middle ground eventually makes the game "meh" - lets have a bit of flavor to ships. Will only marginally increase the Phoenix's ability to hit stuff but not in any way that will change their use.
Bocephus Morgen
The Suicide Kings
Deepwater Hooligans
#77 - 2013-05-17 18:08:19 UTC
Yes, the Moros was better than the rest, but I always saw it as compensation that the Archon was so much better than the other carriers.

I'll be less mad if you punch the Archon in the face like you just did to the poor Moros. No, the resistance bonus nerf isn't enough!
Vincent Gaines
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#78 - 2013-05-17 18:10:07 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:

Citadel missiles: Remove the explosion velocity penalty from siege modules

Let us know what you think!


And can still be speedtanked while coasting in siege/triage.

c'mon Fozzie you know why the Phoenix is so terribad right now, just fix it.

Not a diplo. 

The above post was edited for spelling.
Naomi Knight
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#79 - 2013-05-17 18:13:30 UTC
Vincent Gaines wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:

Citadel missiles: Remove the explosion velocity penalty from siege modules

Let us know what you think!


And can still be speedtanked while coasting in siege/triage.

c'mon Fozzie you know why the Phoenix is so terribad right now, just fix it.

Cause it is caldari , and we "all" hate caldari.
Gaven Darklighter
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#80 - 2013-05-17 18:14:42 UTC
Dazamin wrote:

A quick EFT tells me that Plutonium, Uranium and Thorium all out dps Multifrequency.


Is there a way to easily add or modify module stats in pyfa/EFT? Makign numbers you might have reason and its not a huge nerf but would like to see some data.