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How much would you pay to be able to Wardec an NPC corp?
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Thebriwan
LUX Uls Xystus
#21 - 2013-05-16 08:59:09 UTC
Just stop making others to play the game like you want them to. Just stop.
It's so annoying this mindset.
When EVE is a sandbox than every one has the right to be a carebear, to avoid war decs and to be as much different as you are.
When you take those choices away - EVE would be just a PVP theme park.
Danni stark
#22 - 2013-05-16 09:01:56 UTC
here's what will happen if you can war dec npc corps.

people will just cycle player corps, you still won't get to shoot people that don't want to be shot at in high sec without concord protection.

if you want to shoot them, suicide gank them and stop crying on the forum.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#23 - 2013-05-16 09:04:38 UTC
Im more in favor of there being limitations and drawbacks for being in an NPC corp.
Darth Kilth
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#24 - 2013-05-16 09:15:39 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Im more in favor of there being limitations and drawbacks for being in an NPC corp.

Like not being able to set up a POS? not having access to corporate hangars and programs? No ability to claim systems or participate in FW? Having to pay 11% tax on all income without getting anything back for it?
Danni stark
#25 - 2013-05-16 09:16:04 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Im more in favor of there being limitations and drawbacks for being in an NPC corp.


probably the better solution, but why should people be punished for not wanting to be in a corp on their own, or forced in to a corp they don't want to be in just so they aren't essentially on a trial account?

Ice Mining Skill Plan.
Danni stark
#26 - 2013-05-16 09:16:41 UTC
Darth Kilth wrote:
Having to pay 11% tax on all income

when did they learn to tax mining?

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Darth Kilth
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#27 - 2013-05-16 09:27:03 UTC
Danni stark wrote:
Darth Kilth wrote:
Having to pay 11% tax on all income

when did they learn to tax mining?

Oh right, good point...

Maybe the NPC corps should also put a tax over sale profits of ore, materials and finished goods.

I'm certain that will get a lot of people out of NPC corps.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#28 - 2013-05-16 09:30:35 UTC
Darth Kilth wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Im more in favor of there being limitations and drawbacks for being in an NPC corp.

Like not being able to set up a POS? not having access to corporate hangars and programs? No ability to claim systems or participate in FW? Having to pay 11% tax on all income without getting anything back for it?


Most have no need for a pos, I have corp hangers and never use them, they will never go anywhere where theycan claim systems, have no interest in FW because it involves pvp and they only get taxed 11% on rat bounties.

Player owned corps need to offer a lot more than they currently do.
Danni stark
#29 - 2013-05-16 09:32:16 UTC
Darth Kilth wrote:
Danni stark wrote:
Darth Kilth wrote:
Having to pay 11% tax on all income

when did they learn to tax mining?

Oh right, good point...

Maybe the NPC corps should also put a tax over sale profits of ore, materials and finished goods.

I'm certain that will get a lot of people out of NPC corps.


add an extra column to the refining window saying "corp tax" et voila! although that would mean two lots of tax on mining.

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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2013-05-16 09:35:39 UTC
posting in 1000th thread: "player owned corps are bad".

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Julius Priscus
#31 - 2013-05-16 09:37:12 UTC
its stupid how many people make threads on game mechanics that were removed for obvious reasons...

war dec a noob corp... sit outside the undock in a system youknow noob chars are "made" and kill.

main reason it was removed so long ago.
Akali Kuvakei
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2013-05-16 09:39:23 UTC
This goes to the OP , obviously you are a try hard fail pvp loser. And want to try to get kill by killing new players. I assume you probably like trying to kill miners as well. Yes there are players other then newbs in these corps, but the point is you want easy kills. You are a scumbag, you are bad and should feel bad. I'm sure you get dunked every time you try to pvp and are mad. PLSNOMAD kkthnksbb
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-05-16 10:09:15 UTC
Bloody Wench wrote:
250m a week?

A Billion?....Two? TEN?

I think it would be a good change to the game. Certainly for those hundreds of players in them. Might get them out into some real Corps.

tl:dr Immunity to wardecs is 'tehghey'.



I would like it better if I could pay concord to declare vendettas against certain players, same or very similar mechanic as wardecs between corps only those would be one player versus one player.

That way the real newbs would be left alone until they can actually defend themselves or have made enough enemies to be the target of a vendetta (or the other way around).

What would also be cool if there were certain NPC corps that are automatically involved in faction warfare or (non wardecable) newb NPC corps that only allow avatars below a certain SP limit and higher level NPC corps that actually CAN be wardecced etc. Dunno if that would be even feasible.

That said, no I wouldn't even pay 100m a week because I simply do not have that much raw ISK.

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#34 - 2013-05-16 10:24:07 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Im more in favor of there being limitations and drawbacks for being in an NPC corp.

I'm also in favor of this sentiment. Granted, I'd take the guns approach if it was the only option on the table, but limiting NPC corporations would be a better strategy. The 11% tax was a good start but it needs to be much higher, and encompass all forms of income, in order to properly offset the war shield granted by this mechanic. Triple it. Furthermore, how about not letting NPC-corpers access level 4 agents? Combine that with a 50% refine tax and a 5% sales tax and you have fairness in the system.

Oh, and make the NPC taxes apply to new members of player corporations for at least two days. That way corp-hopping to avoid wars will punish them beyond adding entries to their employment histories.

Yesss.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#35 - 2013-05-16 10:25:26 UTC
Debora Tsung wrote:

What would also be cool if there were certain NPC corps that are automatically involved in faction warfare or (non wardecable) newb NPC corps that only allow avatars below a certain SP limit and higher level NPC corps that actually CAN be wardecced etc. Dunno if that would be even feasible.

That said, no I wouldn't even pay 100m a week because I simply do not have that much raw ISK.


It would have to be time based as SP based means that vets can abuse that system.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#36 - 2013-05-16 10:30:03 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:


Oh, and make the NPC taxes apply to new members of player corporations for at least two days. That way corp-hopping to avoid wars will punish them beyond adding entries to their employment histories.



I would say a week as that is how long the war dec lasts.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#37 - 2013-05-16 10:30:44 UTC
How about if NPC corps are only available to players under 30 days old. After that, players are forced into a generic corp which can be war-decced.

Oh god.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#38 - 2013-05-16 10:35:17 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Obviously the correct answer is to move all NPC corps into the faction war. :)

-Liang


^This.

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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#39 - 2013-05-16 10:35:43 UTC
Nerath Naaris wrote:
Then it would only be fair for the NP-Corps to be able to wardec Player Corps in return. But who is to decide that?

NPC AI should decide Blink

Oh god.
Ruvin
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2013-05-16 10:37:26 UTC
if you would pay :
"The cost would be irrelevant. We'd just form a coalition/alliance in order to pool enough money, even if it's tens of billions per week."

why you need a war ? just go kill anyone or anything anywhere and use the "ten's of billions" to buy youre stuff again ships/weapons

Opportunities multiply as they are seized.