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Dev Blog: Alliance Tournament XI... and a call for commentators!

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IceGuerilla
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2013-05-15 15:00:25 UTC
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Lastly, to fly with an alliance in the Alliance Tournament XI you will need to have been a member of that alliance from downtime this morning, at 11:00 UTC May 15th.


Well, thanks for screwing us over. What?
Edward Olmops
Gunboat Commando
#22 - 2013-05-15 15:09:14 UTC
Callic Veratar wrote:
Tahnil wrote:
Why this deadline? It doesn‘t make sense at all. Interested people should have a chance to join an alliance for this tournament. I would have liked to participate again (like last year), but now I‘m out Sad


You did have a chance, TQ has been up and running for 10 years. You can join an alliance for ATXII right now if you like.


Yeah, funny. This is not about a single pilot joining "an alliance" in time, but a whole corp that has not been part due to technical reasons. I am sure you are aware that some alliances use neutral Trade/Hauler/Warfare whatever corps?
We could not join because we could not play properly then.
Shadoo
North Eastern Swat
#23 - 2013-05-15 15:09:26 UTC
Well, this *IS* supposed to be the Alliance Tournament -- and as such, giving no notice and excluding the old "AT-only Alliance" crowd to be honest shouldn't be such a big deal today.

It USED to be a big deal because AT was the only competitive esport around for EVE -- but with NEO, SCL and FF Tourneys already on the roster, isn't it about time the Alliance Tournament once again became about, you know, alliances we know from EVE TQ competing against each others and less about ~12 man real life friends who make up an alliance for the tournament that exists 2 months of the year?

NEO has brilliant price pool and format to help the informal friends compete and OWN, SCL has started up really strong and SCL3 was a massively competitive and entertaining format of the same. And btw, it runs every month.
Professor Clio
Apocalypse Lancers
#24 - 2013-05-15 15:09:30 UTC
CCP Bro wrote:
Kesi Raae wrote:
Just saying that giving some notice on when pilots have to be in an alliance by would allow pilots who have been flying together in the SCL the chance to join an alliance together.

I really can't see anyone outside the SCL regulars putting on a good show, by locking out a lot of the better SCL pilots, apart from PL, it's going to create a rather dull and one sided tournament.

I've never actually participated in the SCL, btw, I want an interesting tournament full of the best pilots.


Keep in mind that we will hopefully do another New Eden Open which will be team based, there the SCL teams can fly together without any problems. The Alliance Tournament is meant to pit in game alliances against each other to see who emerges victorious, not to pit makeshift alliances formed just for the tournament together to see which team is the best.

With that being said, there is some merit to what you are saying and I expect fringe cases where players might have briefly left an alliance for some reason. The amount of these cases and the impact they have will of course be monitored.


I would like to point out that in the RvB case this is affecting us badly. We have pilots in Red and in Blue and based on last year's *erm* issues we thought we'd be able to field a single team again by shifting pilots into one of the two alliances. If that's not possible, will we be allowed to compete as purple with members of both Red and Blue on a single team? That is what we did last year, and if we no longer have time to put all our pilots into a single alliance, what we would hope to do again this year.
Callic Veratar
#25 - 2013-05-15 15:15:05 UTC
Edward Olmops wrote:
Callic Veratar wrote:
Tahnil wrote:
Why this deadline? It doesn‘t make sense at all. Interested people should have a chance to join an alliance for this tournament. I would have liked to participate again (like last year), but now I‘m out Sad


You did have a chance, TQ has been up and running for 10 years. You can join an alliance for ATXII right now if you like.


Yeah, funny. This is not about a single pilot joining "an alliance" in time, but a whole corp that has not been part due to technical reasons. I am sure you are aware that some alliances use neutral Trade/Hauler/Warfare whatever corps?
We could not join because we could not play properly then.


Sure it is. The alliance tournament is members of alliances fighting members of other alliances. Swapping characters from other corps into an alliance at the last minute just for the tournament isn't really the idea behind this, at least, it seems that's not what it is any more.
CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#26 - 2013-05-15 15:18:57 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Fozzie
Hey guys. The early cutoff was put in place because we intend the Alliance Tournament to be about people representing their alliances, whatever that alliance may be, instead of the kind of club-team system you see with the NEO or SCL (which help fill that need very well).

In cases where a corp or member are caught by surprise outside of *their* alliance for one reason or another, we can make exceptions to get them back in. What we don't want is people jumping from one alliance to another just for the tournament.

Look at it this way: that Alliance Tournament is essentially the Olympic Games of EVE. People can move from one country to another, but it's intended that you represent the country that you claim as your own the whole year round.

If you have a request for an exception, send a petition to the community queue and we'll take a look. But if you're trying to move from your home alliance to another one just for the tournament, I don't expect we'll grant those requests.

Game Designer | Team Five-0

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CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#27 - 2013-05-15 15:22:17 UTC
Edward Olmops wrote:
Callic Veratar wrote:
Tahnil wrote:
Why this deadline? It doesn‘t make sense at all. Interested people should have a chance to join an alliance for this tournament. I would have liked to participate again (like last year), but now I‘m out Sad


You did have a chance, TQ has been up and running for 10 years. You can join an alliance for ATXII right now if you like.


Yeah, funny. This is not about a single pilot joining "an alliance" in time, but a whole corp that has not been part due to technical reasons. I am sure you are aware that some alliances use neutral Trade/Hauler/Warfare whatever corps?
We could not join because we could not play properly then.


Send us a petition to the community department with the details of your technical reasons and we'll take a look. Like I said this is intended to ensure that people fly with their real alliances, not to block people on a technicality.

Game Designer | Team Five-0

Twitter: @CCP_Fozzie
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Professor Clio
Apocalypse Lancers
#28 - 2013-05-15 15:32:52 UTC
The thought occured to me that this cut-off was to prevent "B teams". Does it mean that Red and Blue can enter separate teams then as we are separate alliances. A purple team is our preference and to be fair we are a single entity but if that's the only way for us to get the people who have already been practicing for months to fly in the AT we may do that.
CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#29 - 2013-05-15 15:43:41 UTC
Professor Clio wrote:
The thought occured to me that this cut-off was to prevent "B teams". Does it mean that Red and Blue can enter separate teams then as we are separate alliances. A purple team is our preference and to be fair we are a single entity but if that's the only way for us to get the people who have already been practicing for months to fly in the AT we may do that.


Our default position would be for you to enter multiple teams as you are multiple alliances, however we will consider requests for exceptions in special circumstances.

We want to enable all pilots in EVE who want to represent their home entity, and we'll do what we can to fairly allow people to do that in good faith.

Game Designer | Team Five-0

Twitter: @CCP_Fozzie
Twitch chat: ccp_fozzie
Professor Clio
Apocalypse Lancers
#30 - 2013-05-15 15:46:41 UTC
Thanks for the quick response, much appreciated.
xo3e
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2013-05-15 15:50:45 UTC  |  Edited by: xo3e
Quote:
Lastly, to fly with an alliance in the Alliance Tournament XI you will need to have been a member of that alliance from downtime this morning, at 11:00 UTC May 15th.


take it as you like, CCP
but it is Teams who wins
not an Alliances behind this teams.

and today you screwed many teams

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Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club
#32 - 2013-05-15 16:03:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Should I even bother petitioning ?
It sounds like you designed this rules change (with no warning) specifically to keep me from flying on the team I've been captain of in 10 previous CCP tournaments.
CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#33 - 2013-05-15 16:07:21 UTC
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:
Should I even bother petitioning ?
It sounds like you designed this rules change (with no warning) specifically to keep me from flying on the team I've been captain of in 10 previous CCP tournaments.


Wasn't aimed at you, but we did recognize going into it that it would affect you. However we're not stopping you from competing, just saying that for this particular tournament you need to compete for your home alliance.

Game Designer | Team Five-0

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Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club
#34 - 2013-05-15 16:11:05 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
My home alliance is Dystopia, just because one of my chars is in PL most of the time doesn't make it my home alliance, nor have I ever had anything to do with their AT, NEO or SCL teams.

Most of my characters are in Dystopia, the alliance I actually own and run.
But hey if you guys just made this rules change *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal there won't be a Tyrrax on team Tyrrax.
Green Gambit
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#35 - 2013-05-15 16:15:28 UTC
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:
just because one of my chars is in PL most of the time doesn't make it my home alliance


Surely that's the definition of your home alliance - the place where you spend most of your time...
Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club
#36 - 2013-05-15 16:18:04 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Green Gambit wrote:
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:
just because one of my chars is in PL most of the time doesn't make it my home alliance


Surely that's the definition of your home alliance - the place where you spend most of your time...


Maybe if I only had one account.
pmchem
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2013-05-15 16:19:50 UTC
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:

Most of my characters are in Dystopia, the alliance I actually own and run.


Sounds like you could use one of those chars for Team Dystopia or Team Tyrrax or whatever you wanna call it!

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Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club
#38 - 2013-05-15 16:22:39 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
I'd rather continue to fly the character I've been a team captain on in 12 previous tournaments. (including SCL)

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
Shadow Cartel
#39 - 2013-05-15 16:27:41 UTC
Great decision for the deadline of aliance membership. Finally we ll see what is the best alliance in EVE in a tournament. For the rest there is the SCL, which is a great thing happening to EVE.

Maybe it is time for true sport teams (Corporation, Alliances) with paid player transfers between them? Oh sooo many opportunities.

BALEX, bringing piracy on a whole new level.
Matthias Duran
Perkone
Caldari State
#40 - 2013-05-15 16:28:15 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Professor Clio wrote:
The thought occured to me that this cut-off was to prevent "B teams". Does it mean that Red and Blue can enter separate teams then as we are separate alliances. A purple team is our preference and to be fair we are a single entity but if that's the only way for us to get the people who have already been practicing for months to fly in the AT we may do that.


Our default position would be for you to enter multiple teams as you are multiple alliances, however we will consider requests for exceptions in special circumstances.

We want to enable all pilots in EVE who want to represent their home entity, and we'll do what we can to fairly allow people to do that in good faith.


If RvB fields two teams, at least half of the members of each team will be the alts of the other. I assume you don't want that.