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Dev Blog: Alliance Tournament XI... and a call for commentators!

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CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#41 - 2013-05-15 16:31:08 UTC
Matthias Duran wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Professor Clio wrote:
The thought occured to me that this cut-off was to prevent "B teams". Does it mean that Red and Blue can enter separate teams then as we are separate alliances. A purple team is our preference and to be fair we are a single entity but if that's the only way for us to get the people who have already been practicing for months to fly in the AT we may do that.


Our default position would be for you to enter multiple teams as you are multiple alliances, however we will consider requests for exceptions in special circumstances.

We want to enable all pilots in EVE who want to represent their home entity, and we'll do what we can to fairly allow people to do that in good faith.


If RvB fields two teams, at least half of the members of each team will be the alts of the other. I assume you don't want that.


Real life individuals may only compete on one team. Like I said before, if you would like consideration for an exception to the cutoff have someone in leadership submit a petition to the community queue. We're going to do our best to ensure that everyone gets a chance to compete in good faith.

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DHB WildCat
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#42 - 2013-05-15 16:41:18 UTC
I know I deserve no special exception, but seeing as how I have been on many AT teams prior but was in a noob corp for the last few months, i had no home alliance. I did decide to join up with some friends for this new tourney but seeing as how I was in a corp / alliance that isnt even eligable for the tourney, I am left wondering what can I possibly do since I cannot enter at all?

Also how do I send this petition?
Khar Velsox
#43 - 2013-05-15 16:42:42 UTC
While I understand the reasoning behind no warning given, it does give AT XI a rather cheap flavour compared to past few ATs, which have been about assembling the absolute best team for the grandest tournament of the year.
Edward Olmops
Gunboat Commando
#44 - 2013-05-15 16:51:18 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Professor Clio wrote:
The thought occured to me that this cut-off was to prevent "B teams". Does it mean that Red and Blue can enter separate teams then as we are separate alliances. A purple team is our preference and to be fair we are a single entity but if that's the only way for us to get the people who have already been practicing for months to fly in the AT we may do that.


Our default position would be for you to enter multiple teams as you are multiple alliances, however we will consider requests for exceptions in special circumstances.

We want to enable all pilots in EVE who want to represent their home entity, and we'll do what we can to fairly allow people to do that in good faith.


I do understand the reasoning behind the rule. Thank you for understanding our position and providing at least a chance to get around it. I will try the petition.
Green Gambit
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#45 - 2013-05-15 16:51:28 UTC
Khar Velsox wrote:
While I understand the reasoning behind no warning given, it does give AT XI a rather cheap flavour compared to past few ATs, which have been about assembling the absolute best team for the grandest tournament of the year.


No that's what the New Eden Open is for - assembling the best team.

The Alliance Tournament is about proving which _alliance_ is best at PvP... (hint the clue is in the name - "Alliance Tournament")
CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#46 - 2013-05-15 16:52:02 UTC
DHB WildCat wrote:

Also how do I send this petition?


F12 -> Create New Petition -> "Other Issues" group -> "Community" category

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CoiledVipers
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#47 - 2013-05-15 16:53:30 UTC
I've got to say that this deadline is a swift kick to the nuts for me. Nobody gives a **** about the NEO or SCL, this is the event that pilots want to compete in. I'd appreciate it greatly if ccp would at least seriously consider giving a few pilots and corporations a chance to become eligible.
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Edward Olmops
Gunboat Commando
#48 - 2013-05-15 17:00:13 UTC
Shadoo wrote:
Well, this *IS* supposed to be the Alliance Tournament -- and as such, giving no notice and excluding the old "AT-only Alliance" crowd to be honest shouldn't be such a big deal today.

It USED to be a big deal because AT was the only competitive esport around for EVE -- but with NEO, SCL and FF Tourneys already on the roster, isn't it about time the Alliance Tournament once again became about, you know, alliances we know from EVE TQ competing against each others and less about ~12 man real life friends who make up an alliance for the tournament that exists 2 months of the year?

NEO has brilliant price pool and format to help the informal friends compete and OWN, SCL has started up really strong and SCL3 was a massively competitive and entertaining format of the same. And btw, it runs every month.


It is not THAT easy. Believe me, I have tried.
The first NEO had a 20 PLEX minimum price tag on it, which is difficult to sell to your members "just to get blown up by PL once in round 1".
The SCL is great, but they do have a very limited number of slots. And many of the teams competing there are also composed of some of the big alliances that happen to be the home of quite some of the finest pilots in the New Eden Cluster.
And the FF tourneys... I might also have tried these, but then.. suddenly... no more tickets.
So in fact, for a smaller team without infinite budget, the Alliance Tournament is the only viable opportunity to get into that type of competitive sports environment.
Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club
#49 - 2013-05-15 17:03:49 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Green Gambit wrote:
So Dystopia is the alliance he most identifies with and flies with most of the time, but he only lends them his good characters every now and again?


This character has been a team captain in 9 previous Alliance Tournaments, 2 SCL tourneys and the NEO, something wrong with wanting to continue using the the character people associate the most with my teams ?
I have good characters in Dystopia, not sure why you seem to think all my good ones are elsewhere, but some characters are better than others for specialized roles so one doesn't always use the same one for every match, and just because they're good doesn't mean I should be forced to use one of them over this one.

Previously CCP gave you advance notice so people could move their chars around, they didn't give any warning *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal, which will affect a great many teams, most of which are actually worth having in the tournament.
Aliventi
Southern Cross Silver Shields
Flying Dangerous
#50 - 2013-05-15 17:05:08 UTC
When will we find out how/when to enter the alliance in the tournament? With the Odyssey rebalence and new ship additions when will we find out the point worth of each ship? Also, how many points will we be allowed for the group play and then for the rest of the tournament?

In other words, can you make a devblog with all the important stuff please? P
Tetsel
House Amamake
#51 - 2013-05-15 17:05:29 UTC
Edward Olmops wrote:

It is not THAT easy. Believe me, I have tried.
The first NEO had a 20 PLEX minimum price tag on it, which is difficult to sell to your members "just to get blown up by PL once in round 1".
The SCL is great, but they do have a very limited number of slots. And many of the teams competing there are also composed of some of the big alliances that happen to be the home of quite some of the finest pilots in the New Eden Cluster.
And the FF tourneys... I might also have tried these, but then.. suddenly... no more tickets.
So in fact, for a smaller team without infinite budget, the Alliance Tournament is the only viable opportunity to get into that type of competitive sports environment.


AT also have PLEX entry fees and even auctions... So if you can't afford NEO.. hum well...

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CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#52 - 2013-05-15 17:10:44 UTC
Aliventi wrote:
When will we find out how/when to enter the alliance in the tournament? With the Odyssey rebalence and new ship additions when will we find out the point worth of each ship? Also, how many points will we be allowed for the group play and then for the rest of the tournament?

In other words, can you make a devblog with all the important stuff please? P


It's being written now. We wanted to get the call for commentators out asap because that process takes time and commentators and teams will need to block the days in their schedule.

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Jaangel
Tectu
#53 - 2013-05-15 17:15:30 UTC
Can someone please explain why the cut off for creating an alliance was before the time of the dev blog.
Dracoth Simertet
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
#54 - 2013-05-15 17:17:45 UTC
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:
Should I even bother petitioning ?
It sounds like you designed this rules change (with no warning) specifically to keep me from flying on the team I've been captain of in 10 previous CCP tournaments.



Yes it is worth it, I'm hoping CCP are dealing with this on a case by case basis and being sensible unlike last year.

Would be a shame not to see you and your team in the AT

o7
Drac
Green Gambit
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#55 - 2013-05-15 17:17:59 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:
with wanting to continue using the the character people associate the most with my teams


Sorry - are you an alliance? I can name the alliances that won the _ALLIANCE_ tournament in the past... Don't recall any individual players winning the _ALLIANCE_ tournament.

Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:
I have good characters in Dystopia, not sure why you seem to think all my good ones are elsewhere


Because it's been suggested that you *must* have this character in Dystopia to take part in AT. If you have good characters in there already you don't have a problem.

Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:
so one doesn't always use the same one for every match


So you're going to use other characters anyway. So again you have no problem.

Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:
doesn't mean I should be forced to use one of them over this one.

Previously CCP gave you advance notice so people could move their chars around, they didn't give any warning *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal


Actually yes you are being forced to use another - because you know - that's now the rules. Funnily enough I suspect none of the other 500,000 active subs were informed about the rule changes in advance either.

Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:
which will affect a great many teams, most of which are actually worth having in the tournament.


Actually if all these players have the same attitude, and sense of entitlement that you have, then to be honest, I think the tournament will be all the better for it.
Ais Hellia
The Deliberate Forces
HYDRA RELOADED
#56 - 2013-05-15 17:18:43 UTC
Edward Olmops wrote:
Shadoo wrote:
Well, this *IS* supposed to be the Alliance Tournament -- and as such, giving no notice and excluding the old "AT-only Alliance" crowd to be honest shouldn't be such a big deal today.

It USED to be a big deal because AT was the only competitive esport around for EVE -- but with NEO, SCL and FF Tourneys already on the roster, isn't it about time the Alliance Tournament once again became about, you know, alliances we know from EVE TQ competing against each others and less about ~12 man real life friends who make up an alliance for the tournament that exists 2 months of the year?

NEO has brilliant price pool and format to help the informal friends compete and OWN, SCL has started up really strong and SCL3 was a massively competitive and entertaining format of the same. And btw, it runs every month.


It is not THAT easy. Believe me, I have tried.
The first NEO had a 20 PLEX minimum price tag on it, which is difficult to sell to your members "just to get blown up by PL once in round 1".
The SCL is great, but they do have a very limited number of slots. And many of the teams competing there are also composed of some of the big alliances that happen to be the home of quite some of the finest pilots in the New Eden Cluster.
And the FF tourneys... I might also have tried these, but then.. suddenly... no more tickets.
So in fact, for a smaller team without infinite budget, the Alliance Tournament is the only viable opportunity to get into that type of competitive sports environment.


seems like u are getting it all wrong

As mentioned above AT has also entry fee and more teams willing to compete than NEO, so it's much harder to get in
not saying that you have to get more ppl for practices for 12vs12 matches than for 8vs8

SCL slots are distributed on first come first served basis, you just have to ask, and you don't need any budget so it's the best choice for a small new team as the AT is kind of worst
nonsciolist
Motiveless Malignity
Deepwater Hooligans
#57 - 2013-05-15 17:18:55 UTC
Jaangel wrote:
Can someone please explain why the cut off for creating an alliance was before the time of the dev blog.


It's already been discussed and explained several times already. CCP wants players to represent the alliance they are members of, not makeshift alliances created specifically to form a team for the alliance tournament.
Green Gambit
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#58 - 2013-05-15 17:20:19 UTC
Jaangel wrote:
Can someone please explain why the cut off for creating an alliance was before the time of the dev blog.


Because CCP want the AT to be comprised of the pilots who are normally part of an alliance.

Rather than having lots of shuffling around of characters, just to make-up "perfect" AT teams.
CoiledVipers
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#59 - 2013-05-15 17:24:23 UTC
nonsciolist wrote:
Jaangel wrote:
Can someone please explain why the cut off for creating an alliance was before the time of the dev blog.


It's already been discussed and explained several times already. CCP wants players to represent the alliance they are members of, not makeshift alliances created specifically to form a team for the alliance tournament.


Then why couldn't they have made the rule something like 'You need to have been a member of your alliance for 6 months to be eligible' and told us 6 months and a week ago ?
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nonsciolist
Motiveless Malignity
Deepwater Hooligans
#60 - 2013-05-15 17:33:22 UTC  |  Edited by: nonsciolist
CoiledVipers wrote:
nonsciolist wrote:
Jaangel wrote:
Can someone please explain why the cut off for creating an alliance was before the time of the dev blog.


It's already been discussed and explained several times already. CCP wants players to represent the alliance they are members of, not makeshift alliances created specifically to form a team for the alliance tournament.


Then why couldn't they have made the rule something like 'You need to have been a member of your alliance for 6 months to be eligible' and told us 6 months and a week ago ?


Because people do actually change corp/alliance from time to time, if they'd done that it'd exclude far more people who wanted to take part, including those who wanted to compete for the alliance they're members of.