Player Features and Ideas Discussion

For the love of ****.

Why did this need another thread.

I'll tell you what, I'll agree with your idea under one condition: Removal of local in kspace and replace it with wspace local.

Wait, what's that? You need local to tell you there's a cloaked red is in your military 5 system? Well, too bad. Welcome to the big boys club.

If you want submarine warfare in eve, then I would suggest thst each time you actively ping your sensors you broadcast your location with 100% accuracy to any other ship in system, they can bookmark you and fly directly for you. That's how it works with real submarine warfare, all emissions can lead the enemy straight to you.

A stealth afk cloaking thread lol. Cloaked ships are mostly harmless, but they do stop bots from mining when you are in work. You don't run any bots by any chance do you?

If you get a decloaking method, then I get a method to force everyone in a station to undock. I also get a method to force everyone out of a POS shield. Neither of them are to be any harder than your method of finding cloakers.

It's the old 'lol cloaking is the only way to be safe lololol' argument people like you always make. If you want to wreck cloaking, and thus ruin a whole load of gameplay just because you're terrified of AFK cloakers, then I get to kill you every time you run and hide from a roam.

How about you get over yourself a little and read another reply I gave just above?

I use a cloak a LOT, especially lately since I have really been enjoying exploration. I am cloaked for an hour at a time while scanning and, yes, getting up to get beverages and to get rid of beverages, too.

Would I necessarily like being hunted down like this? No, not really. I kind of like it nice and safe like it is right now. Would I get bent out of shape if CCP put this in the game? No. I'd just have to be a little more creative and careful than I am now.

Just because someone comes up with an idea doesn't mean they hate whatever the idea messes with. People discuss cloaking a lot and what I came up with makes sense and, best of all, requires work on the part of the hunting player. It does not benefit AFK miners or carebears or whoever you happen to not like unless they spend some ISK to hire a bodyguard to scan while they are doing their AFK bot-thing.

In effect this can already be done near gates by a player with a stealth bomber (though at risk of taking out friendly drones and such)

To all the people screaming for local to be removed, why don't you move into a WH yourself?.

I think though that an anticloaking ship could be interesting. It wouldn't have the ability to probe someone out in my book, but the ship would still show up on Dscan when the dscans range is limited to a medium range or something and a 10 degree angle

Think of it like the antisub detection systems they had on destroyers IRL. Actually all the better make it be the exclusive only to the T2 version of the new line of dessys (cause the corax looks sweet but doesn't have much place in combat).

Then it carries a smaller version of s stealth bombers bomb, with a limited explosion radius (5km diameter rather then 30), shoots out in similar circumstance to a bombers bomb (10km travel instead), and when it detonated does the low damage, if it hits though it doesn't decloak, it damages the ship a small amount, and applies a warp disrupting effect to the cloaked ship. It can't warp cloaked for like 10 seconds.

But this requires the pilot to manually search for the stealth bomber with their own skills. Of-course using a couple of the ships in an area and triangulating the bombers position would require skill as well.

Perhaps even make it so that the Dscan thing only works if the cloaked ship is moving more then 30% max speed (argue that the advanced scanner is looking for anomalies in the image of where you aim the scanner. (a slower moving ship would distort it less, however a larger ship would distort it more, so bombers could move around a bit without returning a signal, while a bops needs to move around rather slow since it would be distorting a larger area of space)

There now we have the game silent hunter in eve online. A bomber could easily take out one of these dessys with a bomb or its launchers, but doing that it would risk being detected. Or they can move around stealthily and attempt to evade the dessy's bombs (it cant dscan for a few seconds after firing the bomb or something) and escape.


I could get behind that kind of play on both sides, but well I've loved silent hunter for the longest time.

Note that the bombs antiwarping effect would only effect ships that are trying to warp cloaked. Therefore if the ship decloaks the effect drops. This way it can't be used reliably against people jumping into a system. Also if the bomber thinks hes far enough away to make it he can drop his own cloak and warp normally (pending getting regularly scrammed)

I like the DScan idea. Seeing probes in a system would be a dead giveaway to anyone who is cloaked and they would naturally just jump out of the area.

However, I think that there would need to be a module in a high slot to modify the DScanner on the ship We don't want EVERY ship to be able to DScan a cloaked ship. It should be a high slot to be fair because cloaks require high slots. The scan angle and distance should be very limited as it would take an intense scanning burst to be able to locate the whereabouts of a cloaked ship. Go a little further and make the module require enough resources that a normal ship would have to make some serious sacrifices to use one, but a specialized ship would get bonuses for using it. I would think that any ship that can mount a covert ops cloak should get this bonus on the scanning module. I doubt a mining barge would be able to mount one of these because of the power/capacitor/CPU requirements. You'd also need specialized skills for this stuff, too.

Likewise, there should be a method and module that would allow for several ships to link their DScans to triangulate the cloaked ship. Warfare link? Another slot taken and I am fine with that. Cloaking should be easy but finding the cloaked ship should be very hard.

The best scan result you can get should be that 25-50km sphere I mentioned. That is where the missile (think depth charge) comes in. We all know that a cloaked ship getting too close to an object will decloak, so using that principle, the missile I suggested would explode into a 30 km cloud of shrapnel designed to decloak the target ship.

What I do not quite get is how, in your offering, the missile scrambles the warp core of the ship and doesn't decloak it.I'd rather see it decloak then the ship is subject to a normal warp scrambler. Another idea would be to lob an interdiction sphere with the decloaking missile. Maybe make a combo missile? Dunno.

Going back to the Covert Ops thing: Ships that can use a Covert Ops cloak can use these enhanced modules while cloaked. This would, in effect, be just like two subs or even snipers stalking each other. It could make for a great game dynamic.

I am really liking this. Especially after moving the scanning to the DScanner with an enhanced module and requiring a specialized ship to mount the gear to its best effect.

Another probe based solution.

Not bad, but we do see one like it appear fairly regularly.

I find this idea to be more balanced. The thread name spells out the conditions too.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2668453#post2668453

[quote=DeLindsay]

Please point out where I said it was broken or that I included anything saying that I might be tired of getting jumped by cloaked ships.

Fact: My current primary ships are all mount Covert Ops cloaks and I use them often whether it be for scanning down systems or for surprise visits.

So...go rub some salve on your own butt.