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For those of us who are relatively new to scanning, can someone please briefly explain why sorting by distance when combat probing matters so much?

Ok tested this out on Singularity. The probing changes are really bad. In fact so many things are wrong I will need to spend an hour constructing a proper feedback post.

Before I do that let me ask. Is this basically proper version we are going to see before I spend my time constructing feedback?

Just off the bat a few things which need changing asap.

1. All cosmic signatures should appear in the system scanner window seeing as the DSP has now been taken away.

2. More options are needed for probe formations and layout. The pinpoint formation is good, but the spread formation??

3. 8 probes need to be bought back and other variations under the standard 7 probes need to be bought back.

4. Probe layouts should be much more customisable, right now you can't really do anything with them compared to the options we have pre odyysey.

Those 4 major things are pretty essential to sort out before we can even begin looking at this in depth.

It seems you have a big task to iron out all of the problems in these new changes.

I have found a number of points in this list that seemed significant to me.

100% scans
T2 modules requiring skill at level 1?
Numerous posts about launching single probes.
Numerous posts about deep space probes.
Resizing columns/centering probe map
Shift+Alt (haha! Choosing the quick keyboard layout change key combo!) also
4 probe pattern (CCP limiting options/innovation) also
Spread formation (example of CCP not knowing how things are done)
Shift does opposite
Numerous posts angry at the removal of personal skill in the scanning process.
Probes expire without a timer
Warp indicator lines (green lines) are gone
Custom probe setups?

To this list I would add the integration of the system scanner into probe scanning. Different groups and people are working on these but the features should be integrated and functioning with each other.


That you are considering this is good. Providing some basic formations is fine, but as the spread location shows, CCP will not know the best formation for every situation. One person suggested adding this to scripts. You could also add a custom probe button to the scanning formations list (player custom). The last formation is ok, but being able to customize the formation bar is better.


This sounds exactly the same as marketing speak. Hopefully you will return some of the skill options to us. For example allow the 8 probes so that people can do their own thing and discover ideas that CCP has not thought about.


This list is in the same location as the list produced by probes. It would be nice to confirm that Fozzie is not planning on removing the probe scanner list. I would assume that he is only talking about the onboard scanner analyze button. As part of integrating the work from these two separate groups removing this list causes problems. I can see the anomaly, but it won't appear on my list...

I appreciate the effort to make scanning more exciting but I'm very disappointed by current implementation. Absence of any reasoning makes me think that people working on it are very incompetent in scanning.

Now to details. BTW I'm not a wormholer but do a lot of scanning for PvE and PvP.

Seven probes launched at once
Why would you do that to us? I need to launch 1, 4 or 8 probes in different situations.
- Launching probes one by one was in line with launching everything in EVE and you're "making it simpler" where it's not needed.
- 8th probe. We really need it.
- Also I don't like your formations and want to save mine.

Probes now instantly recall on system jump or station dock
This has two problems.
- Sometimes I need to place probes in certain position and recall them after I re-enter the system to scan for some ship.
- Forgetting to recall probes was one of catching game features for me. It will be sad not to hear or say "Damn, forgot those probes" any more.

Deep Space Probe removal
Provide the reason please. They are very useful to get signal strength for the whole system. And making them available only at Astrometrics 5 looks reasonable.

Skill Changes
Why change what works great? Looks like you did it only to change default to 7 probes (which is very bad) so Astrometrics skill became useless and you didn't find a good bonus for it.
- Also look at Astrometric Rangefinding skill. 5% bonus for x8 skill, seriousely? You won't need this skill at all with new modules.

New exploration modules
Don't add them please. You are making Astrometric Rangefinding level 5 and Virtue set unneeded at all.
Also this modules currently require skill at level 1 for T1 and T2. Shouldn't it be level 5 for T2? Anyway T1 bonuses are so high you'll never need to train skill to level 5.


And +1 to issues already raised. Like copying results, sorting by column, remembering what is scanned to 100% etc. If you want to improve things - don't remove useful features.

You have a friendly fleet of oracles fighting a hostile fleet of oracles, there is also a third fleet of oracles inside a pos nearby that's within combat scan range. Distance is the only way to decipher which fleet you're going to be warping to, distance is the only way to decide which signatures you ignore and which you do not.

I can only imagine the pain of the oracle FCs as they attempt to warp at each other just to find out that the probe results they're using are their own fleet and nothing happens because they cannot tell the distance.

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Most of my fellow WH dwellers already mentioned the most important things as please not remove DSP and the 8th probe. Here is my small listt:

• Order results by strength OR alphabetically. Alphabetically is useful if you have large resultlists (WHs) and need to only look for specific new signatures (which happens to WHler all the time).
• Don't automatically recall. This is one of the "you have to know"-things. It enables additional tactics such as jumping out with probes deployed, jump back, reconnect and instantly scan (e.g. for super capital logging in). Loosing 7 core probes I isn't a biggy for a new player if you missed to recall it, loosing 7 RSS/Sister probes for a professional is embarrassing and he deserved to get laughed at by his Corp for begging someone to come and bring him new.
• I haven't checked yet bu tI hope the new scanning array modules require Pinpointing&Co LVL 5, so at least it was worth training that.

I shall repeat what I said.. I only trained it to use the DSP to speed up my exploration times. Prior to that I had no need for it.. I was able to scan everything in high, low, null and wh's without it before.. and I can bet it can be done without it after the patch.
If you trained BS5 for a carrier.. you can still use it for marauders and blops, I have no need to have the skill to level 5 now. CCP is removing something many of us specifically trained for which really adds no value anymore..

I'll answer that, and as you might have expected, the answer is no, CSM was not consulted about these changes. We found out in an article on themittani.com that we would be able to save probe formations. We found out at Fanfest about the probe results UI. We found out about the 7 probes/removal of DSPs from this thread.

I was proud of, and my corp mates were quite impressed with my ability to scan as well as I could at only 1 month old. The old scanning method was something that just made sense to me.
This new on makes sense also, it just removes the natural talent that great scanners had.