Player Features and Ideas Discussion

but are you sure on that? or making assumptions? i recommend actually checking, the rokh, even compared to a dual tracking computer hyperion, still outranges its gallente counter part with nought but its bonus alone. in addition to that, the rokh needs not share its tanking slots with its damage slots, so even if the hyperion brings enough tank to match the rokh (which, it should be stated requires 2 1600mm plates, a damage control and at least 2 enams on top of armour rigging) and brings, as you say twin tracking computers, the rokh STILL out preforms the hyperion at these ranges as its 50% bonus to raw optimal is superior to the effect of twin tracking computers with optimal range scripts by a significant degree, the the point that a rokh can hit targets effectively with caldari navy antimatter within optimal all the way out to 62 kilometres the hyperion with dual tracking computers can only reach 47 kilometres, 15 kilometres is a fairly big difference wouldn't you agree?

and in turn, lets consider the changes to the hyperion, yes it has recieved the much loved 10% damage and 6 turret fix, but unlike the other vessels which have received this bonus the hyperion has infact lost firepower from its guns, not gained with this change.

at the present moment the hyperion has a 5% hybrid damage bonus and 8 turrets meaning it effectively fights with 10 turrets, after these changes it will be fighting with an effective 9 turrets. this has of course been compensated for elsewhere, with the addition of the much vaunted 125m3 drone bandwidth allowing the hyperion to fly a full wing of heavy drones. the application of these drones in combat however, is questionable. if we are indeed only considering the 80-120km mark the effect of a wing of ogre II's would be problematic at best considering the extreme distance such drones would have to fly at a MWD speed of 1 kilometre/second.

alternatively of course we could point to sentry drones but now we have other issues, in order to properly employ sentry drones at the suggested ranges you require mid slots to effectively extend their range, which you have said are used for tracking computers to allow the railguns to hit out further. bouncer drones are the closest sentry drone for this purpose but even they would be suffering from attacking within fall off range at the proposed ranges

this is the point i'm trying to make, the hyperion can most certainly outrange, out damage or out tank a rokh. but NEVER all of them at once, not without resorting to faction or even deadspace modules to compensate.

the rokh can outrange, out tank and out dps a hyperion with a standard fit, railgun to railgun with 3 magnetic stabilisers and a tracking enhancer in its lows, its mids can be brought up to a powerful 136k EHP with 2 LSE's, 2 invulns, a damage control and shield rigging. the hyperion requires at least 1 addition slot to achieve this which, even with 7 lows, means that it has to compromise a magstab for simmilar effect.

the rokh is not at threat from the hyperion as a sniping platform and i will attest still combined the best balance of durability and damage projection available for a hybrid weapons pilot. other ships can exceed it in some areas, but in all three? it stands strong ^_^

Still love these changes. At this point, I could deal with the Scorp being a long range drone boat. Give it drone bonuses for optimal range and tracking to use sentry or heavies, then slap some cruise missiles on and have at it.

I like it too but ECM will always be a limiting factor in the caldari line.. Too many people cry about it and CCP will of course drop nerf bat and while they are nerfing the mods they power trip and nerf the ship its on as well.

Hence why the scorp just blows in every sense.

My tears started to fall out looking at this.

Seriously though. Last night I thought about how could we make this thing work. I mean the seven missile slot. Then I had a revelation. We all agree on the fact that changing the bonus to shield boost is a highly desirable thing. also we can all agree that in the current form 7 launcher with the proposed cruise change is a little too much. Now I thought that to solve this we should propose that they tone down the cruise damage and rof by 5%, from 25% to 20%. I think we can agree that it is a reasonable change, "give to get". I mean mostly us raven pilots and now phoon pilots will use missile system anyways. I propose that they give 7 missile to the phoon too. it is only fair to both ships.

Also I propose that hull and armor should be a bit more downsized to compensate for the additional speed and shield boost bonus. maybe to 5400 armor and 5800 to hull. if you lose your ship you are dead in the water anyway

drone focus for example

Yeah right. I did forget that. Did I mentioned that my tears started to fall out? It must have messed with my brain somehow.




Ok I will stop now

The other option is make the Scorpion the Torpedo Brawling Boat of the Caldari while the Raven holds its place as a Cruise Missile kitter, and my suggested Rokh changes as the Sniper.

Scorpion:

Caldari Battleship Skill Bonuses:
+5% bonus to Torpedo Explosion Radius per level
+4% bonus to Shield Resistances per level

Slot layout: 6H, 8M, 4L; 0(-4) turrets , 6(+2) launchers
Fittings: 9500(+500) PWG, 750 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 7500(+859) / 5500 / 6500(+1031)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / recharge per second) : 5500(+187.5) / 1087s / 5.06
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 113(+19) / .116 / 103600000 / 16.66s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 75 / 75
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 90km / 110 / 7
Sensor strength: 24 Gravimetric
Signature radius: 425(-55)

This could probably be really good, here is some evidence to show what it would be like with suggested changes above:
http://i1307.photobucket.com/albums/s594/grunnax/Scorpion_zps71100062.png

i cant get the photo to expand to read..

update in the cruise section.

Maybe it is a sign of great things to come? (our proposals passed?)