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Two step
Aperture Harmonics
#21 - 2013-05-07 22:03:54 UTC
mynnna wrote:
Null bloc votes, as identified by Two Step: 9823+10957+5999 = 26799, 53.9% of the votes

Null bloc candidates: Five (Myself, Kesper, Sort, Sala and Progodlegend), which is about 35% of the council. I suppose you could count Malcanis as well, as the HBC ballot was instrumental in electing him and he is technically part of the bloc, but even that's only 42%.

Basically, I'm saying that I think the people who were claiming that STV is all about rigging it for nullsec (ya'll know who you are) can put down their tinfoil hats. If anything we're under represented. Blink


And the "Trebor" Bloc has 51% of the vote, so STV was clearly designed to prevent nullsec candidates from getting elected.

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Trebor Daehdoow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2013-05-07 22:05:41 UTC
My independent Wright-STV script has a mode that generates a more verbose output. Here are the results for the 14-seat and 2-seat elections.

My results confirm those of CCP Veritas' script.

Private Citizen • CSM in recovery
CCP Dolan
C C P
C C P Alliance
#23 - 2013-05-07 22:08:06 UTC
EvilweaselSA wrote:
all hail mynnna First Citizen of the CSM with his momentous victory over Ripard for the #1 slot


In an STV-1 election (just for fun, it's completely irrelevant to this election) Mynnna beats Ripard by only 89 votes.

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Twitter: @CCPDolan

Gooby pls
Komen
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2013-05-07 22:08:35 UTC
So many graphs.

For the record, I voted a full ticket. My #1 (Cipreh) didn't make it, but I'm pretty happy with the voting results. A good balance of players from different backgrounds, and wormholers definitely got in.

Let's see some cool ****, CSM8.
Two step
Aperture Harmonics
#25 - 2013-05-07 22:15:46 UTC
There were some questions on twitter about what order people were elected. There are a number of ways to compute this, one way is to run the election for 1 seat, then 2, then 3, etc. If you do that, you get this order:

1) mynnna
2) Ripard Teg
3) Mangala Solaris
4) Sort Dragon
5) Chitsa Jason
6) Trebor Daehdoow
7) Ali Aras
8) Kesper North
9) progodlegend
10) James Arget
11) Korvin
12) Sala Cameron
13) Malcanis
14) Mike Azariah

CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog
Trebor Daehdoow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2013-05-07 22:20:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Trebor Daehdoow
mynnna wrote:
I suppose you could count Malcanis as well, as the HBC ballot was instrumental in electing him and he is technically part of the bloc, but even that's only 42%.

Malcanis was a double-agent for the Evil CSM Cabal of Evil. Twisted

The ECCE had 11 members: Korvin, Malcanis, Ali Aras, corebloodbrothers, James Arget, Mangala Solaris, Roc Wieler, Mike Azariah, Nathan Jameson, Ripard Teg and myself. We all worked cooperatively to cross-support each other and get out the vote, and 8 of the 11 were elected.

I had expected the ECCE to grab 6 seats, with a good chance of 7. But reduced nullsec turnout, especially in the HBC, gave us an extra seat.

In the end, I think STV did everything I hoped it would. It delivered a diverse CSM, full of knowledgeable, professional worker-bees. We're already up and running in our private Skype channel, and getting connected to CCP.

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EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#27 - 2013-05-07 22:22:28 UTC  |  Edited by: EvilweaselSA
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:

I had expected the ECCE to grab 6 seats, with a good chance of 7. But reduced nullsec turnout, especially in the HBC, gave us an extra seat.

yeah the big story of this election was how staggeringly bad the HBC is at this voting thing
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2013-05-07 22:25:59 UTC
EvilweaselSA wrote:
yeah the big story of this election was how staggeringly bad the HBC is at this voting thing


Correction: "Was" :v

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#29 - 2013-05-07 22:29:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Steve Ronuken
A 15 person CSM:
"Ali Aras"
"Banlish"
"Chitsa Jason"
"James Arget"
"Kesper North"
"Korvin"
"Malcanis"
"Mangala Solaris"
"Mike Azariah"
"mynnna"
"progodlegend"
"Ripard Teg"
"Sala Cameron"
"Sort Dragon"
"Trebor Daehdoow"

At 16:
"Ali Aras"
"Chitsa Jason"
"James Arget"
"Kaleb Rysode"
"Kesper North"
"Korvin"
"Malcanis"
"Mangala Solaris"
"Mike Azariah"
"mynnna"
"Nathan Jameson"
"progodlegend"
"Ripard Teg"
"Sala Cameron"
"Sort Dragon"
"Trebor Daehdoow"

at 17:
"Ali Aras"
"Banlish"
"Chitsa Jason"
"James Arget"
"Kaleb Rysode"
"Kesper North"
"Korvin"
"Malcanis"
"Mangala Solaris"
"Mike Azariah"
"mynnna"
"Nathan Jameson"
"progodlegend"
"Ripard Teg"
"Sala Cameron"
"Sort Dragon"
"Trebor Daehdoow"

A 20 member CSM is my personal favorite:
"Ali Aras"
"Banlish"
"Chitsa Jason"
"Greene Lee"
"James Arget"
"Kaleb Rysode"
"Kesper North"
"Korvin"
"Malcanis"
"Mangala Solaris"
"Mike Azariah"
"mynnna"
"Nathan Jameson"
"progodlegend"
"Psychotic Monk"
"Ripard Teg"
"Sala Cameron"
"Sort Dragon"
"Steve Ronuken"
"Trebor Daehdoow"


In case anyone is wondering why the numbers don't match the elimination order of the 14 seat CSM, it's because those block votes become more useful when they need fewer vote to elect someone to a position. So more of their votes shift.

Woo! CSM XI!

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Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#30 - 2013-05-07 22:36:53 UTC
mynnna wrote:
Null bloc votes, as identified by Two Step: 9823+10957+5999 = 26799, 53.9% of the votes

Null bloc candidates: Five (Myself, Kesper, Sort, Sala and Progodlegend), which is about 35% of the council. I suppose you could count Malcanis as well, as the HBC ballot was instrumental in electing him and he is technically part of the bloc, but even that's only 42%.

Basically, I'm saying that I think the people who were claiming that STV is all about rigging it for nullsec (ya'll know who you are) can put down their tinfoil hats. If anything we're under represented. Blink

Is it time to start talking about CCP and CSM7 using STV to rig the election against nullsec candidates?

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#31 - 2013-05-07 22:54:43 UTC
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:

Is it time to start talking about CCP and CSM7 using STV to rig the election against nullsec candidates?

well you did try with that first iteration (the "throw out overvotes" one), though trebor pretty much owned up to doing that
Zhade Lezte
#32 - 2013-05-07 22:55:05 UTC
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Is it time to start talking about CCP and CSM7 using STV to rig the election against nullsec candidates?


Confirming that this method is literally as bad as the abortive "screw null blocks" fakeSTV that was proposed beforehand Lol
Bagehi
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-05-07 22:57:14 UTC
I might be doing it wrong, but I came up with these numbers:

mynnna - 7116 (5782+1334)
Ripard Teg - 4899 (4181+718)
Kesper North - 4432.796796 (918+3514.796796)
Sort Dragon - 4171 (3263+908)
Mangala Solaris - 3620 (2681+939)
Malcanis - 3463.199636 (1497+1966.199636)
Sala Cameron - 3300.173031 (1550+1750)
Trebor Daehdoow - 3281.294495 (2034+1247)
progodlegend - 3216 (2328+888)
Ali Aras - 3162 (2113+1049)
Korvin - 3091.282 (2065+1026.282)
Mike Azariah - 2885.069921 (1707+1178.069921)
James Arget - 2651.595968 (1624+1027.595968)
Chitsa Jason - 2612.741514 (1668+944)

Elimination: Nathan Jameson - 2430.012765 (1616+814.012765)
Elimination: Banlish - 2173.439348 (1213+960.439348)

(first choice + transferred votes)
Zhade Lezte
#34 - 2013-05-07 23:05:00 UTC
I'm curious to what extent that low HBC vote could have been best corrected by improved get out the vote effort and to what extent it could have been best improved by somehow making that coalition more cohesive (especially considering recent events...) Of course these factors probably overlap, but vOv. Also not commenting myself as I don't have nearly enough experience with the HBC entities and their relations at the time of the election to make even vaguely intelligent speculation.
Frying Doom
#35 - 2013-05-07 23:13:12 UTC
mynnna wrote:
Null bloc votes, as identified by Two Step: 9823+10957+5999 = 26799, 53.9% of the votes

Null bloc candidates: Five (Myself, Kesper, Sort, Sala and Progodlegend), which is about 35% of the council. I suppose you could count Malcanis as well, as the HBC ballot was instrumental in electing him and he is technically part of the bloc, but even that's only 42%.

Basically, I'm saying that I think the people who were claiming that STV is all about rigging it for nullsec (ya'll know who you are) can put down their tinfoil hats. If anything we're under represented. Blink

Nice to know

Out of curiosity has anyone run the base numbers through to see what the council would have looked liked using FPTP?

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#36 - 2013-05-07 23:16:54 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:

Out of curiosity has anyone run the base numbers through to see what the council would have looked liked using FPTP?

You can't, as voting patterns would have been much different.
Ali Aras
Nobody in Local
Deepwater Hooligans
#37 - 2013-05-07 23:18:42 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
mynnna wrote:
Null bloc votes, as identified by Two Step: 9823+10957+5999 = 26799, 53.9% of the votes

Null bloc candidates: Five (Myself, Kesper, Sort, Sala and Progodlegend), which is about 35% of the council. I suppose you could count Malcanis as well, as the HBC ballot was instrumental in electing him and he is technically part of the bloc, but even that's only 42%.

Basically, I'm saying that I think the people who were claiming that STV is all about rigging it for nullsec (ya'll know who you are) can put down their tinfoil hats. If anything we're under represented. Blink

Nice to know

Out of curiosity has anyone run the base numbers through to see what the council would have looked liked using FPTP?

You can do this using the initial votes -- just look at the starting numbers at http://dontshootx.com/auditLog.txt .

For those who don't wanna click the link, it'd be:

mynnna
Ripard Teg
Sort Dragon
Mangala Solaris
progodlegend
Ali Aras
Korvin
Trebor Daehdoow
Mike Azariah
Greene Lee
Chitsa Jason
James Arget
Nathan Jameson
Sala Cameron

On the other hand, that's with a swap in the middle -- people's election and GOTV strategies likely would have been wildly different in a non-STV election. I'm working on my own long post about what kind of voters voted, for whom, and with what completeness-of-ballot, but it has to wait for me to finish my actual RL stuff first ;-)

http://warp-to-sun.tumblr.com -- my blog
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#38 - 2013-05-07 23:24:06 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
ah, the csm tags changed hands

i hope you drycleaned them


Who got Darius III's soiled tags?
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Frying Doom
#39 - 2013-05-07 23:24:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
EvilweaselSA wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

Out of curiosity has anyone run the base numbers through to see what the council would have looked liked using FPTP?

You can't, as voting patterns would have been much different.

Possibly, but it is nice to see, and a persons preferred candidate should be in their first place. Unless they were voting like sheep of course.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#40 - 2013-05-07 23:26:28 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:

Very possibly, but it is nice to see as a persons preferred candidate should be in their first place. Unless they were voting like sheep of course.

No, you don't really get it: it's in FPTP that strategic voting is so important, not in STV.