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Dev Blog: Resource Shakeup in Odyssey: Just don’t call it a Cataclysm + Companion blog

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Soko99
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#801 - 2013-05-04 17:57:45 UTC
Flash Phoenix wrote:


how about CCP take care of the botters and and PvP look for some interactive kills instead of ganks.
CCP has stated nothing in this upgrade is about botting



that's the problem.. This change will do nothing for the botters since their responses are automatic and do not suffer from human delay. But it will mess up the humans a LOT since they're now having even less reaction time to be safe.
OldWolf69
EVE-RO
Goonswarm Federation
#802 - 2013-05-04 18:02:49 UTC
Bots are bots. And afk'ers are in no way different. They all bots to me. No matter if they mine, pve or pvp.Lol But i'm really open about my opinion, not like CCP wich's all "they bots if they are not mine".
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#803 - 2013-05-04 18:08:09 UTC
EvilweaselSA wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

CCP are neither changing the absolutely craptastic AFK-bot-friendly game mechanic nor introducing any incentive for PvPers to waste hours and hours playing watch on something that will never come or - if it'll come - it'll have scanned them and will bring in enough to crush them anyway.

The "static caravans / sitting ducks staying pinned down there" whole concept is wrong. Who's so stupid to accept sitting in a defensless ship if there's consistent risk being popped?

anyone who can do math and figure out the expected rate of return is quite high, who does not soil themselves in fear of losing a ship


That's why almost nobody mined endless ice in sov null sec when in 2012 it was worth 1500 ISK pu, right?

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#804 - 2013-05-04 18:11:20 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
Soko99 wrote:
I wonder if you'll be saying this in 4-5 months when prices double for your precious ships and modules. You guys can put down carebearing all you want, but it's the only thing keeping ships in your hangar bay and modules in your inventory to fly those ships.


Sounds great.

Everything is too cheap, especially ice.



My 140B invested in ice have already turned into 200B, but hey it can't hurt if they become 250 Lol

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OldWolf69
EVE-RO
Goonswarm Federation
#805 - 2013-05-04 18:14:42 UTC
People won't be ever confortable with getting popped just as easy, no matter the reward. Trying to force them to feel confortable is really stupid. Baiting them won't work either. But you can't explain that to a nerd. Lol
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#806 - 2013-05-04 19:58:28 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
EvilweaselSA wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

CCP are neither changing the absolutely craptastic AFK-bot-friendly game mechanic nor introducing any incentive for PvPers to waste hours and hours playing watch on something that will never come or - if it'll come - it'll have scanned them and will bring in enough to crush them anyway.

The "static caravans / sitting ducks staying pinned down there" whole concept is wrong. Who's so stupid to accept sitting in a defensless ship if there's consistent risk being popped?

anyone who can do math and figure out the expected rate of return is quite high, who does nonajthemselves in fear of losing a ship


That's why almost nobody mined endless ice in sov null sec when in 2012 it was worth 1500 ISK pu, right?

When we interdicted gallente ice people did mine much more in null, despite our best efforts to stop them. That's confirmed by the devblog on it.

Facts are troublesome things.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#807 - 2013-05-04 20:09:20 UTC
EvilweaselSA wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
EvilweaselSA wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

CCP are neither changing the absolutely craptastic AFK-bot-friendly game mechanic nor introducing any incentive for PvPers to waste hours and hours playing watch on something that will never come or - if it'll come - it'll have scanned them and will bring in enough to crush them anyway.

The "static caravans / sitting ducks staying pinned down there" whole concept is wrong. Who's so stupid to accept sitting in a defensless ship if there's consistent risk being popped?

anyone who can do math and figure out the expected rate of return is quite high, who does nonajthemselves in fear of losing a ship


That's why almost nobody mined endless ice in sov null sec when in 2012 it was worth 1500 ISK pu, right?

When we interdicted gallente ice people did mine much more in null, despite our best efforts to stop them. That's confirmed by the devblog on it.

Facts are troublesome things.



So, a relatively short event clearly dictates years of nothingness, eh? That is many years of almost nothing are clearly contradicted by your lol short event?

"Facts" is a BOLD word in your mouth.

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Cyprus Black
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#808 - 2013-05-04 20:41:45 UTC
Rather disappointed with this expansion, if it can even be called an expansion.

Lots of background changes and cosmetic changes. Nothing more. No new content. The last expansion that actually had real content was Incarna and that was a ******* disaster.

Crucible, Inferno, Retribution and Odyssey are not legitimate expansions. They're background changes, cosmetic changes and number rebalances.

Summary of EvEs last four expansions: http://imgur.com/ZL5SM33
mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#809 - 2013-05-04 22:35:21 UTC
I'm sorry that you feel that a timer on how often an exhausted resource reappears for no discernible reason out of thin air (well, out of the vacuum of space, anyway) feels "fake".

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LoanWolf Tivianne
Ace's And 8's
#810 - 2013-05-05 00:12:55 UTC
im still trying to figure out where this increased reward in wh space is going to come from for the triple amount of danger added to mining in whs from removing the ore out of graves and makeing them found by just scanning

yea my spelling sucks so do you go back to work school teacher your not wanted here
Cyprus Black
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#811 - 2013-05-05 00:19:28 UTC
I'm considering sitting this "expansion" out, canceling, and just waiting for the winter expansion.

This one is pretty much a dud as were the previous 3.

Summary of EvEs last four expansions: http://imgur.com/ZL5SM33
Cynthia Nezmor
Nezmor's Golden Griffins
#812 - 2013-05-05 00:24:39 UTC
Dilbert HighSeed wrote:
Regolis wrote:
Prolly escaped you guys, but plenty of the highsec players will NEVER go to low sec or null. CCP will nerf high to a certain point where the time isn't worth to the highsec players and they will quit. At which point, if you look at the numbers, Eve goes bye bye.
Lots of the people in high sec are casual players. They pay a monthly fee and play for an hour or 2.
They aren't interested in you 0.0 politics or moon mining. They come on, blast a few NPC ships, and log off.
Yes by all means nerf high sec. Yes push these casual solo players out of the game. I mean it's not like CCP needs money or anything to maintain their corporation.


Not only was high sec ice-mining nerfed in many ways for the casual player, but high sec mining was just hit hard, and by extension, mission loot as the refined value of that loot just took a hammering.

But is all good, since null sec now has more moons to fight over.

Bottom line, this was another large net transfer of wealth from high sec to null sec.
And who knows what more things are planned for tomorrow.

And more food for thought. Can you imagine what high sec will look like when the new null sec cartel CSM is done with it over the winter 2013 and summer 2014 iterations?

It will be an utter wasteland.


Good. Nullsec is also an utter wasteland. Maybe people will come to lowsec and we can have fun fights for a change.
LoanWolf Tivianne
Ace's And 8's
#813 - 2013-05-05 01:28:17 UTC
Cyprus Black wrote:
I'm considering sitting this "expansion" out, canceling, and just waiting for the winter expansion.

This one is pretty much a dud as were the previous 3.



i don't disagree about the content part but i also don't totally agree they are adding new BC to the game but eh small steps as far as i am concerned that could have been done with last expansion and all in all should have been done when they added BC in the first place

ps the content part i got from the link in the post sig just fyi befor i get blasted lol

yea my spelling sucks so do you go back to work school teacher your not wanted here
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#814 - 2013-05-05 03:21:15 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
[quote=EvilweaselSA][quote=Vaerah Vahrokha]

So, a relatively short event clearly dictates years of nothingness, eh? That is many years of almost nothing are clearly contradicted by your lol short event?

"Facts" is a BOLD word in your mouth.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal
You see, our little controlled experiment was the 1500 isk time you referenced. Once we shifted the reward/risk balance, well, we proved that mining will happen (in static belts!) if there's that much profit in it.

Facts, your ancient enemy, strike again.
Crexa
Ion Industrials
#815 - 2013-05-05 04:30:37 UTC
Lurifax wrote:
Perhaps some changes to the Rorqual my be relevant.

bigger ore bay - perhaps smaller normal bay
Cans with ore goes directly to the orebay
change the ice compression time
if the boost has to be on grid please remove the need for it to be running the core. Nobody is going to have it deployed in a grav site.


when opening the corporate hanger array it always opens in the director tab, this must be a CCP trolls since 99% of ppl who uses them does not have access to this tab. Make it open the public by default instead.



Yes / No
Yes
Yes
Who said anything about being on grid to boost with mining ships? If it were the case it would be the death nell of the rorqual and probably the orca for anywhere but highsec.

and Yes good idea.

"F=ma, so obviously they're putting mouths against arses to produce a force." "...its breakfast time and i am very hungry. may i have some of your paint chips?"
Crexa
Ion Industrials
#816 - 2013-05-05 04:46:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Crexa
LoanWolf Tivianne wrote:
Cyprus Black wrote:
I'm considering sitting this "expansion" out, canceling, and just waiting for the winter expansion.

This one is pretty much a dud as were the previous 3.



i don't disagree about the content part but i also don't totally agree they are adding new BC to the game but eh small steps as far as i am concerned that could have been done with last expansion and all in all should have been done when they added BC in the first place

ps the content part i got from the link in the post sig just fyi befor i get blasted lol



What!!? The new BC are just the current? BC minus a nerf and paint job. CCP could have at least tried to get us to believe were were now paying more isk for the same firepower.

"F=ma, so obviously they're putting mouths against arses to produce a force." "...its breakfast time and i am very hungry. may i have some of your paint chips?"
OldWolf69
EVE-RO
Goonswarm Federation
#817 - 2013-05-05 05:53:24 UTC
After a lot of written pages, can we agree at least on one thing? There's no real improvements in this patch?
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#818 - 2013-05-05 05:58:47 UTC
OldWolf69 wrote:
After a lot of written pages, can we agree at least on one thing? There's no real improvements in this patch?


The moon change will likely be a huge improvement.

The other topics I don't know well enough to comment on their respective likelihoods of being 'real improvements".

So, no, I don't agree.

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
OldWolf69
EVE-RO
Goonswarm Federation
#819 - 2013-05-05 06:02:22 UTC
The moon change will improve what?
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#820 - 2013-05-05 06:10:28 UTC
The general incentive for conflicts, as well as providing a shake-up to the current political balances.

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal