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I agree, let's move all ice mining to lowsec and nullsec.

Perhaps some changes to the Rorqual my be relevant.

bigger ore bay - perhaps smaller normal bay
Cans with ore goes directly to the orebay
change the ice compression time
if the boost has to be on grid please remove the need for it to be running the core. Nobody is going to have it deployed in a grav site.


when opening the corporate hanger array it always opens in the director tab, this must be a CCP trolls since 99% of ppl who uses them does not have access to this tab. Make it open the public by default instead.

CCP are neither changing the absolutely craptastic AFK-bot-friendly game mechanic nor introducing any incentive for PvPers to waste hours and hours playing watch on something that will never come or - if it'll come - it'll have scanned them and will bring in enough to crush them anyway.

The "static caravans / sitting ducks staying pinned down there" whole concept is wrong. Who's so stupid to accept sitting in a defensless ship if there's consistent risk being popped?

Ice is not going to cost 70k a unit to justify mercs or something to perma-camp the field and defend from (potential) hostiles.

Even if EvE copied RL (troops / mercs protecting tankers from pirates), there's still the factor that EvE is a game so it's harder to "sell" - even paying ISK - to such troops the idea they are meant to sit there all day long twiddling their thumbs. People log in to have fun.

Even miners log in to have fun, their adaptation has been to go AFK / play another client and do something else, but PvPers can't go AFK to guard a fleet, I don't see this solution being viable.

Except most people will not mine if it becomes a risky profession. Since the return at current prices, is NOT high enough for the risk. With less miners, will mean less minerals on the market, means higher mineral prices, will mean HIGHER prices for EVERYTHING including mining ships. So then the question will come down to.. How high will mineral prices rise in order to make it worth while for miners to actually mine it in null/low/WH space. Not a guarantee that it will result in more mining, what is guaranteed is that prices will rise on EVERYTHING.

Mining is a boring ass job. People do it because they can semi-afk it. (and whether you like to admit or not, it is a NECESSITY in a game where items are supplied by players). The proposed changes, will make it so that people will NOT be able to mine in the "dangerous" areas of space without actually CONSTANTLY paying attention to their client. Which is a VERY VERY BORING endeavor considering all you do is watch your lazers cycle. (and maybe empty your hold). Before you say that so they should NOT be reaping the benefits for being AFK, mining is not nearly as lucrative a business as running anoms, sites etc. So do you really think that all those guys mining in null/low/WH will continue to do so with the GREATLY increased risk to their safety and LITTLE increase in reward vice moving on to the more lucrative activities. (which in turn will increase the competition amongst THOSE activities as well causing even more people to be annoyed since they won't be making their 3-6bil per couple days of scanning anymore)

Ahhh the sweet waterfall of AFK multiboxing tears.

Prices will rise until players who distinguish little between shooting space rocks and shooting red crosses switch between them.

Eve will continue to reward activity over inactivity, so might as well get used to it.

This is a wasted opprtunity as well as being destructive. What CCP should be doing is improving the PVE and the sense of realism.

Isn't it stupid the way the belt rats just keep spawning and throwing themselves st ships they have zero chance of damaging?

How much better would it be if the PVE made some sense? Lets say a Gurista hideout spawns in the system. Rats from that hideout warp out and travel to belts - scouting. The longer the hideout is left undetected the more chance it has of increasing in size.

Eventually a reasonable fleet spawns at the enlarged base and warps to the belt to attack a number of targets selected by the scouts - a serious attack with a real chance of success. Faction police may spawn to defend the belt.. This would make it all more realistic, and fun.

Mining ships would be forced to tank or leave the belt both reducing their productivity. Belt defense could be fun. Gankers would want to co-ordinate any attack as the ships and belts would be better defended.

People scanning sites and destroying sites at source would be also be having a direct impact on their fellow citizens

You mean killing someone's ship is actually going to matter now? Sign me up!

I do not see any facts, for the price of ships doubling.

Sadly this thread has been derailed by a few ppl who are afraid that their AFK highsec ice mining fleets would actually require them to interact with the game. They have played the usually cards like unsubbing, eve is dying, this will break the game etc.

I do not see the anomily change as a thread. Unless your afk, you should have enough time to get away. If your close to the gate bubble it use sling bubbles. If your afk you deserver to die. The grav site is only a false safety since you can be probed there.

That's a gameplay proposal (and quite a good one, I like it).

This change is about game balance, which is a different thing.