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I believe this to be my very first post in this thread.

I advise using https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=24359, it makes answering these kinds of questions much easier.

In all seriousness however, I do expect that the increase in rewards will motivate people to use creativity and teamwork and overcome the extra challenge.

If I paint frogs all over my barges, will you rethink this whole grav site change in wormholes?

/pretty please?
//with sugar on top?
///I have cherries...

I honestly dont know if I could be stuffed moving back to a wormhole, it took me days to get everything out.

Lets face it the only reason to mine in a WH now, is to act as bait.

No idea what frogs have to do with resource allocation in EvE (i do get the attempt at humor) . But what are these increases in rewards you speak of? I see a lot of things moving around but no increases just reductions.

More seriously, Fozzie - I would like to see some fixes for T1 module manufacturing to encourage noob industrialists.

How about it? Is it even on the list of things to do?

The idea of nullsec is that you create your own safety through player interaction instead of obtaining it for free through game mechanics.

Sitting in a site and being given enough time to escape by forcing players to scan you out, either via probes or the system scanner is hiding behind a game mechanic and hurts players' ability to interact meaningfully.

The increased reward provided by rebalanced mining sites and increased ice cost because of the new bottleneck on supply make this trade fairer.

So I have held off on commenting on the ice changes until now as I was waiting to see what the actual numbers were going to be.

I would start by stating that am fully on board with changing the ICE mechanics. Moving ice away from infinite static belts is a good thing. That being said, the current proposal of 2500 units of ice then a fixed 4 hour respawn seems very arbitrary and poorly thought out. I am sure whoever worked on this made up some spreadsheets, and did some moderately impressive math to arrive at these two values. What I do not think was taken into account was the impact on play style.

I have seen numerous comments on this thread, mostly from non industrial players, stating that miners can / should just move to the next ice system when the one they are in is depleted. When you are mining roids, every system has them so moving systems is less painful. There are also multiple belts in almost every system of EVE. Ice systems though tend to be many jumps apart and so moving is not a simple or straightforward idea. For the solo miner this is less of an issue, but on an organizational level it is a major hassle.

Everything related to mining / industry has been designed from the beginning of EVE to be slow, cumbersome, and extremely vulnerable. There is a massive amount of infrastructure, planning, and logistics that goes into any kind of non casual industry. For the player who mines once in a while to make a frigate, or just to do something different, these changes are going to have little impact. But for career industrial players, this is a change in mechanics that does not take into account the infrastructure and logistics involved in the CAREER PATH of mining / industry.

So what do I propose? My perspective here is that CCP is trying to remove “infinite” resources, make people work harder for ice in particular, and remove some of the fire and forget aspects to ice mining. These are all fine. I do think however that the belts should have more units in them (10,000 - 20,000) or should respawn in a new location when the old one pops (at a minimum faster than 4 hours). My corp alone will frequently collectively mine 10,000 units in a normal week night session.

My pie in the sky solution would be what CCP floated a while back about removing all moon mining and static belts and replacing them with one massive system wide asteroid belt per system. Each belt would be comprised of ore, ice, and moon goo rocks seeded randomly amongst thousands upon thousands of "junk" roids like we have in missions and sleeper sites. This would turn mining into a real profession where you could prospect the belt to find what you wanted to mine. No more warp to 0 on the belt and zone out. Newer players with basic skills could scan out "easy" sites using ship scanners and more skilled pilots could use probes to find harder to find and more lucrative pockets of the belt. This would greatly reduce, if not eliminate the bot mining issues. Miners in harder to reach parts of the belt would require probes to find for gankers, etc. There is SOOO much you could do with this if it was the foundation for mining. "Prospecters / Surveyers" could scan out good mining sites for miners for a fee, etc. This would utilize multiple disciplines from across EVE. Mining could actually be somewhat .... fun....

If nothing else EASE into these changes. These are some pretty sizeable "first steps".

Thanks,
Acks

You have a better risk vs reward than a WH miner, they dont even get a warning in local.

Why even bring up the Gallente in all this??