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eve is a competitive game

when you lose, it is very often right and proper that you lost rather than something that means the game design should be accommodated to suit you

there is still plenty of content for you, the low man on the totem pole, and it is not at all unfortunate that there are higher rewards for higher people on the totem pole

i am not excluded
*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. Or attacks at any subset of players for that matter. ISD Ezwal

but with a limited supply in highsec people will be excluded, and the mechanism of the popping anomolies is an excellent one for ensuring that people are excluded on a semi-random basis rather than specific timezones being excluded

Id rather they stay signatures. Or at least some of them stay signatures, like the ones with rare ore. But if CCP does all this I may be able to adapt (This pilot lives in W, all my others are in high sec). Im just not sure it will work out, or if we stop mining in W.

I am curious as to who is excluded from the current non4 hour ice spawn mechanic right now?

the implication in EvilweaselSA post was that there was someone being excluded now on ice.

As i understand it the problem with ice is that its boring and take a long time to do.
too long to actually have to watch a screen in null which is why most people do not mine ice in null.
that and the glaring safety issues which are the subject of much trolling and tears on the forums.

are these not the underlying problems of ice or am i missing something?

nobody is excluded now, that is changing thanks to it changing from an infinite resource to a capped supply

so once that happens, the people who are too late get no ice until the next ice anom pops

As I read all of the changes that are coming I cant help but feel that this expansion /update is simply catering to the vocal minority.


Since i have been playing (2007) there has always been this "chipping away of High sec", which is fine, if thats what you want to do. However it seems that the game has devolved into an exercise in supportive psychopathy. If you take the psychopathy checklist and apply it to the game and to what I call the vocal minority of players, it becomes clear that the game is pushing and supporting pyschopathic tendencies and attracting a population of players that are mentally unnhealthy and find solace amongst others of likemindedness. Whether this is intentional or a simple nature of the beast its quite visible and no attempts are made at trying to mask it or otherwise spin this behavior into a more positive light. Indeed its the basis of the game. The game stopped being a sandbox game a long time ago..if indeed it ever was one. Psychopathy Checklist


Now the point is not to attack anyone or any group of players...its simply to place, into perspective, what I and others are seeing from a long term player perception.

There was a lot of talk in one of the CSM meeting minutes about CCP not going to worry about player retention and focus on new players. There was also talk of CCP working on counting actual human players vs accounts. There was also a lot of talk about the next 2 years, 5 years even 10 years down the road. CCP wanted the CSM's to be in on that high level conversation. There was also some talk of removing some of the barriers to entry for 0.0 and other areas where it has become obvious that newer and some older players cannot access...large alliances / corporations ect ect ect.


And maybe its not advertised that much anymore but for a long time CCP advertised EVE as a game thats "not for everyone". And thats still true today...its not a game for everyone.


So given the above ill post a few questions for a dev to answer -

How does the upcoming expansion relate to -
Removing barriers to entry,
Set a path to the next few years of EVE development as a product,
Not catering to long time veteran players /alliances /corporations in 0.0 (largest share of the vocal minority),
Increasing new player accounts,
Reducing the "Drowning in Minutia" syndrome (Spreadsheets for everything and an excel based UI),
Making the game "a game for everyone"


Also one last note here....In order to make EVE a game "for everyone" instead of "not for everyone" CCP will have to move away from the Psychopath model to something more people can relate to. There are only so many people that can tolerate / like /understand/ or succeeed inside this model and as long as CCP continues to build upon this model, then by default, they are undermining thier own goals. CCP are the ones saying this..im just wondering how this update relates to those goals..the vison that they were trying to convey to the CSM. As at first glance, with the info provided, it certainly looks like those goals that were listed and spoke about in the CSM meeting minutes I read, have been discarded and its the same ole same ole.

Fun fact: no there hasn't.

le sigh, makes me want to post some ascii art from Delve '10.

It is also not about killing, rather changing the emphasis so that earning a living is becoming less possible in highsec. You cannot deny by not touching the dark glitter belts in nullsec there is an obvious bias in isk generation?

I would also suggest that if plex was not available (how many people use plex prices as their guide for income?) and the game was back to subs only there would be more emphasis on fun rather than isk generation.

Ah, but to use an overused rejoinder so popular with the null crowd, adapt or die. Adding in a few elite frigates does nothing but slow you down, so rather than 8 minutes it now takes you 9 to complete a FH. Removing ice to anom and reducing them to 23 mining hours with a 4 hour respawn is a tad bit more serious, both economically and to the foundation of POS ownership. Remember earlier in this thread currently 99% (ish) of ice products are produced in highsec, so please a small balance of an open isk tap is not really in the same league as the ice changes.

I say dissect the frogs, learn from them!