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The interesting aspect to all this is that hi-sec is grossly oversupplied with build slots. I'd be surprised if 50% of then are in use at any time. It's probably less then that.

Given that, why would anyone care how many build slots 0.0 has? What does it even matter if a 0.0 bloc has more than hi-sec?

You were right the first time. While you do get 3 basic upgrade slots, you can only install one of a particular upgrade. The third basic slot will need to be filled with something other than additional manufacturing slots, most likely the office upgrade.

So heres the rub and "bottom line" high sec space is a great place, its "relatively" safe and you can mine quite a bit, you can mission, run incursions...suffice it to say high sec is NOT short of any forms of income. With that being said, null sec is. Why the hell would you go out to null sec to mine Ark when you can mine veld and make more doing it? In wormhole space its opposite of course because you at least have some level of control and protection. Its not like a fleet of carriers and dreads are going to hot drop you. Also, traffic isn't as bad so you tend to mine ark first.

The "bottom line" as you put it is that although I lived in and mined high sec and dont even touch null, I still think this change was needed. Its way too easy to make more money mining in high over null. At least this way players dont have to go to high sec to mine or import it from there. They can get back out in the belts in null and use the ore instead of letting the space just sit there and rot.

High sec miners shouldn't be complaining, they should be glad...it means less people are stealing your ore :) The changes aren't severely overbalanced. You can still make quite a bit of money mining high sec, you just arent going to get filthy rich from it. I suggest finding an incursion fleet.

As for null space, yes they have benefited from the insanity of moon goo, but that has been changing in steps and phases. Now even it is a bit more balanced and doesnt put profits in the hands of just one or two alliances.

The point is, stop complaining. If you think you can make more money in null sec then high...move there. It is now correctly balanced. You are paying for slightly less valued ore by mining in a slightly more protected system. I really dont see anything wrong with this trade off.

Will this be adjusted down so as to eat into stockpiles, cause else the 20% deficiency is going to take years before non-high-sec ice mining will be needed.

Not if the resources deplete.

10 years of dumbing down EVE! And still going strong!

"We will also be making a significant change to the way hidden asteroid belts will be found by players. We are phasing out the Gravimetric signature category, and instead pilots will be able to find all Ore Sites using their ship’s built-in anomaly scanning equipment. This change will make finding hidden belts much less difficult for both miners and for those who would prey on them, so pilots are always advised to practice vigilance."

Love this one: Changing the way hidden asteroid belts will be found by players.

I'd say - they won't be hidden anymore, will they. Way to take away one small thing that is actually fun i high sec.
Why not add an AutoMine and AutoGank function too? Or even better: Also add a NavigateToAndMine and NavigateToAndGank option to the autopilot!! Then you won't even have to be in the actual system when you get the urge to mine or gank something.

Then it will be really noob friendly for all types of players.

/SF

depleting moongoo is a really bad idea

On the whole, I like these changes, but some I think are a mistake:

Please do not add more slots to outposts, except perhaps for additional corporate office slots. Industry in null should take place in POSes, not in outposts. POS industry is better from a game design perspective than outpost industry. First, POSes require fuel, so increased POS use stimulates PI and ice mining; more POSes means more PvE, which means a more active economy, more ISK in player pockets, AND more targets in space to shoot at. Second, POSes are objectives to fight over. Third, a POS is a stake in the ground, and creates a sense of ownership. Fourth, POS industry encourages cooperation between corp members, and creates openings for corp thieves.

I've written extensively on why outpost slot availability is not a bottleneck in null industrial production. In brief -- the drone regions produced all of their T1 ship and ammo needs up until the removal of drone alloys, using POS industry slots. There's no reason to expand outpost slots, and doing so does not promote player interaction.

Please leave the random hidden belts as grav sites that must be probed down. These are the belts that spawn randomly, and are not tied to the industry index of a system. They should be better than regular belts, given the effort it takes to scan them down and then make use of them, especially in lowsec; better for a low/null miner means safer.

If I understand correctly, the new 'discovery' scanner will produce instant results. This is a mistake. Miners need the ten second window in order to (1) see the hostile pilot in local and (2) get into warp. Mining barges are very, very slow; this change risks turning mining in null, lowsec, and wh space into a turkey shoot. The stupid miners will go back to high-sec, and the smart miners will start mining while permanently aligned to a safe tower; both will result in reduced targets. If i-hub-spawned belts are moved to the new discovery/system scanner, then either they should not appear immediately on the scan results or, alternatively, the i-hub should spawn duplicate belts -- that is, it should spawn an additional belt or two at each level, instead of one belt, so that it is more difficult to drop in on the mining operation.

I have little experience with wormholes, but considering how easy mining barges are to kill, and how difficult it is to detect hostiles in wormholes even under the current probing/scan mechanic, grav sites in wormholes should remain part of the exploration system and should require probes to locate. Unless the discovery scanner also shows all ships within scan range, which renders this issue moot.

The addition of low-end minerals to high-end ore is awesome, and should make null industry possible, and should also increase the rewards of mining in null by a substantial degree. I am somewhat concerned about the risk of low-end minerals from null flooding into high-sec. Maybe it might make sense to increase the volume of high-end ore (and increase yield per unit proportionately in compensation), in order to make exporting raw high-end ore to high-sec less profitable. No sane person will normally move low-end minerals via jump freighter, so that should not be a substantial issue except in shallow null.

The ice mining changes are great.

Kiss 100,000 accounts goodbye, then.

I've been playing games that don't reward semi-afk play and I can't see any reason to pay for alt accounts on those games.

If you're fully involved with little downtime there's little temptation to pay for additional accounts.

I could be happy if Eve fully involved me, but except for cynos, I can't imagine why I'd want my other 5 accounts... and 3 extra cynos aren't worth $11 a month to me.