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Dev Blog: Resource Shakeup in Odyssey: Just don’t call it a Cataclysm + Companion blog

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#121 - 2013-04-26 21:28:34 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
The income from mining Arkonor could have been easily boosted by simply rebalancing spodumain to be in line with ABC in terms of high end minerals, thus increasing the total ISK/hr of mining out the asteroids in these nullsec grav sites.

..........

To encourage more miners in nullsec, CCP should remove mineral compression.


Actually i think what they did was good. Awhile ago I proposed that Spod should be Scordite with some added Megacyte. That would insure that it is always more valuable than Scordite no matter what the market did. Other minerals could be changed in a similar way. The result would be all Null ores would forever be better than high sec ore. And that is about what CCP did.

About the compression: I got to agree. It also makes no physical sense. Its like I take my car to the scrapyard, they crush it, shred it, send it to the smelter and a cube of iron 5 meters on a side comes out.

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Viziam
Amarr Empire
#122 - 2013-04-26 21:34:55 UTC
Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:
CCP: "So, our players want to 'Burn Jita'? THIS is how you set Jita on fire... Twisted"

Let the speculations begin :)

what

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#123 - 2013-04-26 21:37:52 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:
CCP: "So, our players want to 'Burn Jita'? THIS is how you set Jita on fire... Twisted"

Let the speculations begin :)

what

Because High sec will still mine far more ice that it needs. Some will be shipped out, depending on the price. So just what will the price do?

And if null can mine more of what it needs without importing, what happens to Trit prices? Ship prices? Guess right and make a bundle!

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Cultural Enrichment and Synergy of Diversity
Stain Neurodiverse Democracy
#124 - 2013-04-26 21:43:29 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:
CCP: "So, our players want to 'Burn Jita'? THIS is how you set Jita on fire... Twisted"

Let the speculations begin :)

what

Because High sec will still mine far more ice that it needs. Some will be shipped out, depending on the price. So just what will the price do?

And if null can mine more of what it needs without importing, what happens to Trit prices? Ship prices? Guess right and make a bundle!

There's another big factor for low-end mineral prices that is going to hit EVE in the next expansion - racial navy battlecruisers. Traditionally battlecruisers are the most used ships in the game and by looking at the ways to get them, it would always be more profitable to build one than to get it from the LP store.

After those news I thought that low-ends will skyrocket, but now, I'm not so sure.
Zakarumit CZ
Zakarum Industries
Forgers United
#125 - 2013-04-26 21:44:31 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Regolis wrote:
Prolly escaped you guys, but plenty of the highsec players will NEVER go to low sec or null. CCP will nerf high to a certain point where the time isn't worth to the highsec players and they will quit. At which point, if you look at the numbers, Eve goes bye bye.
Lots of the people in high sec are casual players. They pay a monthly fee and play for an hour or 2.
They aren't interested in you 0.0 politics or moon mining. They come on, blast a few NPC ships, and log off.
Yes by all means nerf high sec. Yes push these casual solo players out of the game. I mean it's not like CCP needs money or anything to maintain their corporation.


There are sufficient people in Null who do like mining as well to keep the supply in good shape. Especially with the faster mining and the possible price rise.

Zakarumit CZ wrote:
I really hope CCP can review the Ice changes. I think making ice and anomally you dont basically need to scan is a bad idea. Letting them spawn precisely every 4 hours in only selected systems is even worse idea.
Please, make Ice sites just another cosmis signature which people can find anywhere and that people need actually to scan.

That would make sense only if barges and exhumers had a utility high for a probe launcher.


If ice was spread across whole new eden randomly, you could just stay in one system or its surroundings and look for ice there. This just force people to move to a specific system. Well, and when you are in your favourite system, its no big deal to have a scanning ship there.
Also most miners have an Orca around which can easily squeeze a scanning ship inside. Hell, if ice was spawned as anomalies, you could scan it down with barge/exhumer board scanner. So why the hell still only some particular systems?
Aria Ning
White Rabbit Industries
#126 - 2013-04-26 21:48:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Ning
Malcanis wrote:
Regolis wrote:
Prolly escaped you guys, but plenty of the highsec players will NEVER go to low sec or null. CCP will nerf high to a certain point where the time isn't worth to the highsec players and they will quit. At which point, if you look at the numbers, Eve goes bye bye.
Lots of the people in high sec are casual players. They pay a monthly fee and play for an hour or 2.
They aren't interested in you 0.0 politics or moon mining. They come on, blast a few NPC ships, and log off.
Yes by all means nerf high sec. Yes push these casual solo players out of the game. I mean it's not like CCP needs money or anything to maintain their corporation.


People mined in hi-sec when trit was 0.8 ISk per unit.


But what were the prices of other goods in comparison? Just can't say people mined when trit was 0.8 ISK per unit because it could of been that prices of other goods were relatively low in comparison. It's all about purchasing power there bud.
Felix Crusher
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#127 - 2013-04-26 21:53:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Felix Crusher
I can't help but suspect that while this is a step in the right direction, 0.0 industry will go from dealing with horrible tritanium and pyerite shortages to dealing with nearly as bad mexallon and isogen shortages.
Marsan
#128 - 2013-04-26 22:00:58 UTC
I guess I was right to sell off my stocks of T1 ships, and start hoarding fuel blocks. On the plus side cheaper minerals mean cheaper T1 ships and modules. POS fuel may start to really hurt if the Goons and Co start hoarding Ice and hunting ice miners.

Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a grumpy small portion of the community.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#129 - 2013-04-26 22:02:43 UTC
Felix Crusher wrote:
I can't help but suspect that while this is a step in the right direction, 0.0 industry will go from dealing with horrible tritanium and pyerite shortages to dealing with nearly as bad mexallon and isogen shortages.

Maybe but, from the blog

"Gneiss: 3700 Tritanium (+3529), 3700 Mexallon (+3529), 700 Isogen (+357), 171 Zydrine"

So Gneiss is being buffed with those. Nocx seems to be the only one left out......

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Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#130 - 2013-04-26 22:07:13 UTC
Aria Ning wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Regolis wrote:
Prolly escaped you guys, but plenty of the highsec players will NEVER go to low sec or null. CCP will nerf high to a certain point where the time isn't worth to the highsec players and they will quit. At which point, if you look at the numbers, Eve goes bye bye.
Lots of the people in high sec are casual players. They pay a monthly fee and play for an hour or 2.
They aren't interested in you 0.0 politics or moon mining. They come on, blast a few NPC ships, and log off.
Yes by all means nerf high sec. Yes push these casual solo players out of the game. I mean it's not like CCP needs money or anything to maintain their corporation.


People mined in hi-sec when trit was 0.8 ISk per unit.


But what were the prices of other goods in comparison? Just can't say people mined when trit was 0.8 ISK per unit because it could of been that prices of other goods were relatively low in comparison. It's all about purchasing power there bud.


Prices were set by the insurance floor. While Trit was ~1 ISK/pu, Zydrine was 3k+ and Mega was about twice that.

When I started playing, Ravens were ~138M

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Liz Laser
Blood Tribe Inc
#131 - 2013-04-26 22:09:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Liz Laser
My preferred place to Eve is null-sec, but it requires me to have a lot of free time to meet the obligations of being in a corp. I haven't had that free time in a long while.

So when I do have a free moment, I spend it in high-sec. Except time spent in high-sec keeps becoming less and less valuable and I don't even login except to change skills.

So now when work/business/social-life have me very busy I might as well just let my subscription lapse until I have time to be in null-sec again.

I'm a firm believer in adapt or die, but when I and others make the above described adaptation, I worry it will be Eve that dies.

Have I missed the improvement that is going to make it worthwhile to login if hi-sec is all you have time for?

Null sec needs love, I'll be the first to admit it. But you aren't going to coerce people into null or low-sec. Either they lack the time to be part of corps, or they lack the balls/fangs/bloodthirstiness to want to be there.

I have about 45 minutes a night I could spend in high-sec. I spend that 45 minutes in SWTOR.

You don't need to make high-sec the best place, but you do have to make it interesting and worthwhile to log into.

Or God has to create more PvPers. Pirate
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#132 - 2013-04-26 22:17:12 UTC
Liz Laser wrote:


So when I do have a free moment, I spend it in high-sec. Except time spent in high-sec keeps becoming less and less valuable and I don't even login except to change skills.


Looks like someone moved your cheese.

Maybe consider adapting?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

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Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#133 - 2013-04-26 22:18:34 UTC
What if I told you there are renter corps out there who don't expect you to show up for CTAs every other day?


There are actually quite a lot of people who start building a nullsec industrial empire, only to fail miserable because of a multitude of current game mechanics only to either unsubscribe or to live a boring life in boring highsec where talking about the last my little pony episode is the most exciting thing that happens during the day
Liz Laser
Blood Tribe Inc
#134 - 2013-04-26 22:25:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Liz Laser
Malcanis wrote:
Liz Laser wrote:


So when I do have a free moment, I spend it in high-sec. Except time spent in high-sec keeps becoming less and less valuable and I don't even login except to change skills.


Looks like someone moved your cheese.

Maybe consider adapting?


The only adaptation I can currently make when they move my cheese to null-sec is to quit a job or girlfriend so I have the time to join a corp, get comms situated, figure out the lay of the land, and emergency evac when something I have little control over causes leadership to decide we're now in a new region in a new bloc, and oh by the way, you'll need to get situated on all new comms and forums and auths.

But it is not just moving my cheese, it's also the lack of entertainment value in high-sec. Thus I have adapted by moving to SWTOR and haven't seen a reason to renew my sub which expires in June unless I lose a job/contract. Eve won't miss me, but if I'm any indicator of players' satisfaction with high-sec then God needs to create more PVPers, and fast. Hopefully I'm an anomaly and there will still be an Eve to come back to when I develop the time to be a null-sec resident again. But if I'm typical, that spells bad news until high-sec becomes more entertaining OR worthwhile.
Liz Laser
Blood Tribe Inc
#135 - 2013-04-26 22:33:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Liz Laser
and seriously where's the high-sec cheese and/or entertainment for someone who has 45 minutes a night in high-sec?

Have you played SWTOR yet? Big smile

I'm not saying its a better game than Eve. What I am saying is it is a far far better game than Eve for someone who has 45 minutes a night to play.
GeeShizzle MacCloud
#136 - 2013-04-26 22:33:31 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Amarr Lab Upgrade: 3(+5), 5(+13), 7(+21) Copying, ME, PE slots


is this correct? cause it looks like a typo to me.
Onslaughtor
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#137 - 2013-04-26 22:35:50 UTC
The think I'm most worried about is that the numbers blog does not include much in the way of common low sec ore, please have a look at them as well.
Sizeof Void
Ninja Suicide Squadron
#138 - 2013-04-26 22:41:01 UTC
I like that a number of changes are being made simultaneously, rather than a single change. A single change allows for rather easy market speculation; multiple dependent changes help to keep everyone guessing.

I note, however, that T1 module market & manufacturing, which has been in a moribund state for quite a while, has been neglected yet again. No one uses T1 modules, and so, no one builds them (except to use in T2 module manufacturing). Removing them from NPC drops did absolutely nothing to fix this problem.

Given that most noob industrialists are much more likely to start off by building ammo or T1 modules, rather than jump immediately into building ships and T2 stuff, it seems to me to be a rather significant oversight, in the new player experience.

So, how about including something to encourage the entry-level industrialists?
Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#139 - 2013-04-26 22:45:08 UTC
Liz Laser wrote:
The only adaptation I can currently make when they move my cheese to null-sec is to quit a job or girlfriend so I have the time to join a corp, get comms situated, figure out the lay of the land, and emergency evac when something I have little control over causes leadership to decide we're now in a new region in a new bloc, and oh by the way, you'll need to get situated on all new comms and forums and auths.


First, I would consider joining a corp that wasn't total crud, like you seem to have done in the past. One that is stable and has been around in the same location for a while.

For a slight security deposit of 500M ISK, I could process an aplication for such a corp.

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Liz Laser
Blood Tribe Inc
#140 - 2013-04-26 22:49:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Liz Laser
Quote:


For a slight security deposit of 500M ISK, I could process an aplication for such a corp.


classic. Thanks for the chuckle.

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