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This is pretty much the problem with your argumentation.

You post perfect examples of perfect fights for every single possibility, yet you talk about high sec and also choose to not take in consideration our opinions just by throwing the rabble "you don't fly them".

Well first most have done and still do but if they choose another path it's just because we figured since a long time all the contrary of what you just argue.

HIGH SEC pvp has nothing in common with low sec or null sec pvp where in some cases like wd's and in hands of experienced pilots with the perfect fleet not being bothered by 20 to 50 red roamers have their niche. But in another race like minmatar/amarr/caldari you can do just has good or even better.
I really hope someday you try to fly minmatar ships of all kinds to figure out by yourself how screwed blaster and rail ships are stuck in a very small niche, so tiny it doesn't ever happen in other places than dreams or in forum posts.

Now you're happy with? -fairwell but those who don't expose their opinions based on real facts and problems they encounter each time they fly their ships in other places and situations than perfect ones because those happen 99% the time they play.

This is why some of us, read your posts but don't believe a word of them and might think either you're just trolling or that you live in a perfect world where everything suits you perfectly.

This being said, the majority still thinks AC's/ARTY stuff will still be overpowered, now they get a huge buff to their dmg and tracking.
So gallente moves one step forward and minmatar/amarr get 2, very nice sense of balancing stuff.

Without the lasers and projectiles buff I'd say "hummm maybe, first step but maybe", after looking closer to those ammo buffs I just think it's a waste of time and humain ressources to balance stuff this way.

Of course if those are the ones comming on TQ.

wtf .....ganked FTL again....fracking forum !!

Enyo with neutrons + NULL: 212 gun dps @ 4.2+3.9
Wolf with 200's + HAIL: 286 gun dps @ 0.8+9

It's the same story across all gun sizes. With these changes, Minmatar's close-range high-dps ammo outranges Gallente's long-range low-dps ammo. Matari ships are still significantly faster than their Gallente counterparts (Wolf 987 m/s, Enyo around 900 m/s post-patch). Having flown exclusively Gallente since I started this game 18 months ago, I'm comfortable saying that this is a HUGE problem. The tracking and fitting buffs are great, but they don't address the key issue of range.

My suggestion: you're buffing T2 ammo anyway. BUFF NULL AND VOID. Null should outrange Hail by a decent margin if you want any sort of balance. Give it +50% optimal and falloff. That won't be op simply because Null's damage is pretty mediocre. Void is point-blank-range ammo, so it should have a bit more dps (10%) and better tracking (10-15% penalty rather than 25%). The effect: blaster boats dominate at close range and aren't completely impotent at mid ranges. This still wouldn't be an insta-win button because the hulls are still pretty slow, allowing other ships to pull out of Void range.

I honestly think hybrids, Gallente hulls, and armor tanking in general could all use a serious overhaul. Barring that, ammo changes seem like the simplest and most effective solution. And gimme my T2 drone mods!

For all those proposing that we drastically increase Gallente hulls to perform around the performance range of Minmatar hulls, just remember what you will be doing to the other two races hulls in the process. There are more ships in the game than just the Brutix and Hurricane (or Enyo and Wolf for that matter), and the big picture must be thought of.

Are Minmatar guns overpowered? Maybe. They are very useful to say the least, and very deadly across a wide engagement spectrum. Are Amarr guns overpowered? Most pilots would say no, and especially those who don't have access to Scorch and/or Aurora ammunition. They work though and get the job done. Railguns (especially with the changes) will do the job they are supposed to quite nicely, and Missiles already do their job. That leaves blasters.

If you give blasters a range envelope that rivals non-T2 Amarr weaponry and/or Autocannons, you will be destroying Amarr weapons in the process. Projectiles will still be useful, but only because they have damage type diversity and take no power to operate. If you buff blaster ships speed and blaster effectiveness, you will create a situation where the only time you would EVER want to fly Amarr would be in heavily armor tanked situations supported by Logistics (trading one broken feature for another). From where I sit, assuming you want this change to use existing game mechanics and be implemented in the next month, there really are only two options available:

1) Go with this incremental upgrade that nudges Blasters towards a more usable platform, still keeping them inferior in the vast majority of situations but pushing them less out of the "Why in the hell would I ever fly blasters" to "Blasters are decent, and good enough especially against weakly tanked ships" category. Basically, what you proposed in this dev blog.

*or*

2) Go with a niche approach where you make Blasters truly excel at something. Give them the nuclear option, the "You get within my targeting envelope and YOU... WILL.... DIE!" Keep Gallente ships where they are at performance wise, or give them small nuanced speed boost (and maybe EHP boost as well!), but also give them the tracking to operate at 500m from target while traversing and give them a power boost that when they can get position, they can do their job. See comments around pages 18-22 for more information!!!

(2) seems the best approach to me, and (1) seems like it would be better than just simply making Gallente a new FOTM. More diversity in ship types and weapon systems will continue to make EVE a combat rich environment, and anything that pushes Blasters to be "just another short range weapon system" with little difference to the alternatives would be borderline criminal.


Engagements happen at 15-30km because that is where the vast majority of pilots have their optimals at today. No ship type excels at under 10km (save frigates or a few close range setups) so no real need to fight closer exists (especially with mid-range ships supported by Huginn's/Lachesis's). This is why I've been trying to say that a perfect niche opportunity exists... Give Gallente the crown for under 10km engagement ranges, and watch what will happen in situations where experienced pilots create fleets to not only fly but fight in this engagement envelope. It would open the door for blasters to use truly new combat tactics than the mid-range standoff tactics that Amarr/Minmatar close range setups excel at today.

Get rid of the agility buff, It should have been nerfed and the speed increase should be a damn site more than 10m/s. Galle ships should not be able to run rings round their prey, that's the minmitar thing, they should however be able to go really fast in a straight line. If blasters are to remain with such short weapons range then in that range there should be a massive amount of DPS, not 10% more, it should be %30-%50 more.

Because I can stil burn your face to the ground with my scorh pulse at 45km (med size) with not much fitting effort, not counting on implants and boosters/fleet boost.

This is why.

Well, Amarr ships could still be buffed to have very good damage over all ranges and a great tank.
The point is, we all know that if they adapt hybrids and Gallente ships, they will have to adapt the other races and ships as a second step.
I just hope that CCP will not need 3 years for this second step and in the meantime 3/4 of the players are unsatisfied.

I'm afraid that CCP could go the other way, they will adapt hybrids a little bit, give it more tracking and a bit more damage and leave it so for a few years making 1/4 of the players unsatisfied.

Thread's moving pretty fast (and forum software is crappy)... don't *think* this is in here yet thogh.

What about making rails the "sniping" weapon less in the OMG range sense, and more in the precision sense? Arty/rails/lasers all have basically the same max range these days with mechanics getting in the way of things, so rails stay in the middle DPS-wise, but get an improved sig resolution compared to arties (lol @ space cannon) and lasers (some crappy explanation about focusing the beams or whatever). Then rail platforms become pretty reliable damage even against ships a class down (especially using the smaller rails... dual guns in that case should possibly have the same stats as what they claim to be, they just somehow split the larger charge). That ends up being their "niche," which yes, makes life even harder on the smaller ships, but both hybrid races already have ways to be really unpleasant for smaller craft to be around (gallente can carry drones for all occasions, and assuming they actually get *fielded* caldari missile hulls can be a complete nightmare (if only in theory) for the next size down, especially cruiser-level with ASMs and such) so the main difference would just be that its guns and not missiles.

Well, damn. You get me all excited about someplace new to PvP and now you say you don't know and you can't even tell me more about it?

What about the rest of your posts? Are you just shooting off your mouth about other things you know nothing about here? How can I ever take your comments about blaster boats seriously now? Rage... rage... rage....

Nah, just kidding.... lol.

People complaining about Amarr being underpowered have clearly never flown in a decent armor fleet before.