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Beginner: Struggling to have fun, but don't want to give up yet. Help? Suggestions?
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Verett Elyk
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-04-23 20:22:52 UTC
Hello. So I tried the game a year ago and at the time it wasn't my cup of tea. Recently, I downloaded it and have been playing for the past few days. I actually started to like it. But soon, I realized it was getting slightly boring doing those missions just running back and forth delivering stuff, or mining this and that. I don't want to give up the game just yet, because I know it is a great game and I want to give it time.

But what do you recommend for a beginner to do to feel more immersed in the game and enjoy it faster? I hear I should PvP, so I applied for RvB as Blue last night and am waiting for it to process. In the mean time, the only thing I seem to really enjoy is mining. I will take my venture, find some plagioclase, mine it while I do some stuff and come back and return to station. I have maybe 5-10mil isk from doing that. What should I do with that?

I guess I am just looking for something fun for a beginner to do. I'm a little overwhelmed and lost. Right now I am training Caldari Frigate so I can get an Osprey because i dont know what else to do...haha. I heard that is a good mining ship.

If someone could recommend an activity, PvP idea, a good ship fitting for my budget, i'd be appreciated. I just don't know what to do, am overwhelmed, and i am struggling to have fun.. but i dont wanna give up yet! Thanks in advance (sorry if that was a lot of text, i just wanted to vent! :))
Degnar Oskold
Moira.
#2 - 2013-04-23 20:33:36 UTC
Osprey isn't a good mining ship anymore. In a patch last year it was changed from a mining cruiser into a logistics cruider that repairs damage to other ships' shields.

Have you tried combat missions (security missions) yet?
Verett Elyk
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-04-23 20:40:10 UTC
Hmmm wow thanks for the heads up! Ill cancel leveling that long skill for now. And actually no i have not. Do recommend trying that out?
Velarra
#4 - 2013-04-23 20:41:34 UTC
What do you like about mining and your Venture ship?

Do you have a couple Venture ships you can afford to lose?

If you have a few to lose, you -might- want to try taking it to lowsec to mine some of the more valuable rocks there.

Explore the Map (available via F10), take notice of how you can acquire information (frequently delayed & imprecise) via its menus and options. Use this information to take informed risks while in lowsec amidst your mining.

You're going to want to look into how to use the Directional Scanner, create Undock, Insta & tactical bookmarks. These bookmarks will assist if by no means insure some of your survival if you go off into lowsec for adventure & riches. (Or a surprise dash of pvp).
Verett Elyk
Doomheim
#5 - 2013-04-23 20:45:43 UTC
Velarra wrote:
What do you like about mining and your Venture ship?

Do you have a couple Venture ships you can afford to lose?

If you have a few to lose, you -might- want to try taking it to lowsec to mine some of the more valuable rocks there.

Explore the Map (available via F10), take notice of how you can acquire information (frequently delayed & imprecise) via its menus and options. Use this information to take informed risks while in lowsec amidst your mining.

You're going to want to look into how to use the Directional Scanner, create Undock, Insta & tactical bookmarks. These bookmarks will assist if by no means insure some of your survival if you go off into lowsec for adventure & riches. (Or a surprise dash of pvp).


I feel like I'm not ready for that. I don't know too much about it either. I dont wanna go to low sec, spawn, and be one shooted then be like dam that was lame haha. But maybe i will try that! Thanks!
Mac Tir
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-04-23 20:57:43 UTC
Running missions has the double benefit of allowing you to train skills which increase combat performance, and make some money at the same time. You will get chomped in RvB and having access to level 3-4 missions can provide solace; knowing that there's a method of drumming up cash to replace the 20 Punishers you lost is always welcome.
Verett Elyk
Doomheim
#7 - 2013-04-23 21:01:03 UTC
So should I just be training up general skills right now to like level 4 like electronics and engineering? Or is there something I can shoot for so I can get a certain ship right away? I just don't know what ships to get, how to fit them, what skills to train, so I'm a little overwhelmed! haha
Mac Tir
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-04-23 21:09:07 UTC
That's understandable. Ask yourself which race you like the look of, and start from there. Caldari tend to use missiles, whilst the other races lean more towards guns. It's a good idea to pick one of the two.

Say you start running missions in Caldari space. The classic pattern of ships might be something like this.

Lvl 1 - Kestrel
Lvl 2 - Caracal
Lvl 3 - Drake
Lvl 4 - Raven +

You can see that these are all missile ships, so those missile support skills all compliment each other (warhead upgrades works just as well for light missiles as it does for cruise missiles etc).

Everything else helps; Engineering and Electronics are essential and will only benefit you. Before plugging in skills, read the description, and ask yourself if you really need it. Will it benefit you?

Try and formulate some sort of goal; sites like Battleclinic will be useful to show you how to fit decent set-ups for PVE.
I'm working towards a Nightmare and it helps to have something to focus on.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-04-23 21:26:35 UTC
Verett Elyk wrote:


But what do you recommend for a beginner to do to feel more immersed in the game and enjoy it faster? I hear I should PvP, so I applied for RvB as Blue last night and am waiting for it to process. In the mean time, the only thing I seem to really enjoy is mining. I will take my venture, find some plagioclase, mine it while I do some stuff and come back and return to station. I have maybe 5-10mil isk from doing that. What should I do with that?



This part made me do this...Shocked and then this... What?

So you applied to RvB which is a PvP entity. Yet you say you enjoy mining. Those are like fire and ice, the complete opposite.

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Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

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Verett Elyk
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-04-23 21:29:57 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Verett Elyk wrote:


But what do you recommend for a beginner to do to feel more immersed in the game and enjoy it faster? I hear I should PvP, so I applied for RvB as Blue last night and am waiting for it to process. In the mean time, the only thing I seem to really enjoy is mining. I will take my venture, find some plagioclase, mine it while I do some stuff and come back and return to station. I have maybe 5-10mil isk from doing that. What should I do with that?



This part made me do this...Shocked and then this... What?

So you applied to RvB which is a PvP entity. Yet you say you enjoy mining. Those are like fire and ice, the complete opposite.



Haha i know... i actually dont know what i reallllyyy like yet. So i wanted to try PvP. I dont really like mining, it just seems like its the only feasible thing for me to do other than missions.
Verett Elyk
Doomheim
#11 - 2013-04-23 21:32:05 UTC
Mac Tir wrote:
That's understandable. Ask yourself which race you like the look of, and start from there. Caldari tend to use missiles, whilst the other races lean more towards guns. It's a good idea to pick one of the two.

Say you start running missions in Caldari space. The classic pattern of ships might be something like this.

Lvl 1 - Kestrel
Lvl 2 - Caracal
Lvl 3 - Drake
Lvl 4 - Raven +

You can see that these are all missile ships, so those missile support skills all compliment each other (warhead upgrades works just as well for light missiles as it does for cruise missiles etc).

Everything else helps; Engineering and Electronics are essential and will only benefit you. Before plugging in skills, read the description, and ask yourself if you really need it. Will it benefit you?

Try and formulate some sort of goal; sites like Battleclinic will be useful to show you how to fit decent set-ups for PVE.
I'm working towards a Nightmare and it helps to have something to focus on.



I truly appreciate this. But i forgot to mention that i am Galliente. The only reason I went for the Osprey because was i was reading a guide on mining and they said go right for that after the venture. So I've been training for it. But now im stopping the training for it since i now see it is like a healer ship.
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-04-23 22:40:34 UTC
Doing all 5 career tutorial agent paths gives you a reasonable overview of most activities in eve

pretty much all forms of pve in eve can get a little repetitive and boring, in this regard eve is no different from any other mmo out there.

pve with the most variety i'd say is probably exploration
which can lead to wormhole corp joining, and possible pvp opportunities

have a couple of goals .. a particular ship & its fittings works well as more short term goals
don't fall into the "I must be making x isk/hr" trap
isk is just a resource, and whilst it can be important for buying shiny toys, making it the goal of your game time turns eve from a game to a job
if you make your time in eve feel like work, you wont stay because your not having fun

eve is a game
you play a game to have fun
have fun, worry about isk, fittings and skill points afterwards
Haulie Berry
#13 - 2013-04-23 22:57:01 UTC
I would recommend looking into scanning and exploration.

Also, this: http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#14 - 2013-04-23 23:25:33 UTC
Whatever you do... is actually not all that important. Who you do it with, all the more.

Start looking into a player corporation that can guide you a little. There is much to do in the game, but the 'sandbox' is hard to acces solo and your interaction with primarily NPCs will get boring fast. What you really want is an active corp that is willing to involve you in their activities. Much of the game is meta, and it doesnt matter if you go mine with Bill the Rockbreaker or ruin people's day with your friend Joe the Pirate. The trick is that you both know Bill and Joe. Go go out there and talk to people.
Ryelek d'Entari
Horizon Glare
#15 - 2013-04-23 23:50:42 UTC
It's very common for new players to feel bewildered by the huge variety of play options, the intimidating skill progression path, and the seeming hopelessness of finding a corp to join amongst the thousands of corps out there. Been there, done that.

I strongly recommend running some combat missions to see if you like flying around in a combat ship, shooting things that can (sort of) shoot back. Start small and don't push forward fast. Run some level 1 missions in a frigate. Decide if you like afterburner or microwarpdrive. Then move on to level 2 missions, but use a destroyer rather than a cruiser. You can access level 2 missions immediately or almost immediately by training Connections and/or Diplomacy skill to 3, unless you've somehow wrecked standings very badly.

Run some of the other races' introductory missions, or re-run one of the other chains from your own faction (starter systems list is here). Use the local racial ships given to you in the tutorials. At the very least this will give you some ISK and standings boosts, and introduce you to other regions and ship types.

Try out exploration. Some people loathe the scanning interface, find out if you're one of them. Others don't mind it. Hisec Radar sites are great targets for the ultra-new explorer.

Fly a cheap ship into lowsec and shoot at some players. Get blown up. Do it again. Give them a hi-five in local chat.

Go read some blogs. Google "eve online blog" and you'll get a pretty diverse list.

Once you've monkeyed around with the various gameplay things Eve has to offer, spend some serious time reading recruitment, chat some people up, read forums, etc, and get into a player corp. Many player corps gladly accept newbies and will teach you more in 2 days than you've learned in the last 2 months.

If you are accepted to a player corp and find that there's nobody online for several days or they're uninterested in including you in their activities, leave the corp and try again. Any corp that recruits a newbie and doesn't make an effort to integrate them in the first couple days is probably not a good place to be.
Verett Elyk
Doomheim
#16 - 2013-04-24 00:13:05 UTC
Ryelek d'Entari wrote:
It's very common for new players to feel bewildered by the huge variety of play options, the intimidating skill progression path, and the seeming hopelessness of finding a corp to join amongst the thousands of corps out there. Been there, done that.

I strongly recommend running some combat missions to see if you like flying around in a combat ship, shooting things that can (sort of) shoot back. Start small and don't push forward fast. Run some level 1 missions in a frigate. Decide if you like afterburner or microwarpdrive. Then move on to level 2 missions, but use a destroyer rather than a cruiser. You can access level 2 missions immediately or almost immediately by training Connections and/or Diplomacy skill to 3, unless you've somehow wrecked standings very badly.

Run some of the other races' introductory missions, or re-run one of the other chains from your own faction (starter systems list is here). Use the local racial ships given to you in the tutorials. At the very least this will give you some ISK and standings boosts, and introduce you to other regions and ship types.

Try out exploration. Some people loathe the scanning interface, find out if you're one of them. Others don't mind it. Hisec Radar sites are great targets for the ultra-new explorer.

Fly a cheap ship into lowsec and shoot at some players. Get blown up. Do it again. Give them a hi-five in local chat.

Go read some blogs. Google "eve online blog" and you'll get a pretty diverse list.

Once you've monkeyed around with the various gameplay things Eve has to offer, spend some serious time reading recruitment, chat some people up, read forums, etc, and get into a player corp. Many player corps gladly accept newbies and will teach you more in 2 days than you've learned in the last 2 months.

If you are accepted to a player corp and find that there's nobody online for several days or they're uninterested in including you in their activities, leave the corp and try again. Any corp that recruits a newbie and doesn't make an effort to integrate them in the first couple days is probably not a good place to be.


Thank you very much for this...it helped me get a real idea of what i probably should be doing. Thanks for all of the suggestions, I will try these as soon as i can!!!
Verett Elyk
Doomheim
#17 - 2013-04-24 00:14:01 UTC
And for everyone else thank you for the comments...just shows what a great community this truly is here in EVE. I am grateful. Thank you.
dark heartt
#18 - 2013-04-24 00:38:38 UTC  |  Edited by: dark heartt
Verett Elyk wrote:
And for everyone else thank you for the comments...just shows what a great community this truly is here in EVE. I am grateful. Thank you.


I'm sure you already know this from the others in RvB, but make sure you don't run missions or mine while in RvB as you will be a target for the corps wartargets.

Also if you see him, say hi to CombatMink for me.

http://tetrisisunrealistic.blogspot.com.au/
Velicitia
XS Tech
#19 - 2013-04-24 09:55:58 UTC
Verett Elyk wrote:

I truly appreciate this. But i forgot to mention that i am Galliente. The only reason I went for the Osprey because was i was reading a guide on mining and they said go right for that after the venture. So I've been training for it. But now im stopping the training for it since i now see it is like a healer ship.


Logi ships (for you, Navitas and later the Exequror, and even later the Oneiros) are awesome and will nearly always get you friends. Only thing I ever really fly right now is a Guardian (or Scimitar). Don't really fly the Basilisk, as it's fleet-orientated, and when I'm doing shields, there isn't always a second logi (Oneiros/Scimi are more "built" for small gang roams, Guardian/Basi are more built for small gangs with one logi pilot)



The mining progression these days is Venture -> Retriever -> Mackinaw (for solo mining), the Procurer/Skiff and Covetor/Hulk are for "dangerous" and "fleet" mining, respectively.

When you're looking around at suggested ships and fittings, compare them to what's in game (read the ship descriptions), and see if what the guide (or suggestion) is telling you to do. The ongoing tiericide of the ships means that a lot of the guides now have outdated information.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Jenny Jupiter
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-04-24 10:01:53 UTC
Nice to see people recommending stuff as opposed to the usual "everything else apart from PvP is worthless".

I'm a newb, although I've looked at EVE before. I've always liked games that you can stop and look around in, do you know what I mean? EVE is the ultimate example of that.

It's one of the few games you can truly become immersed in - you should just go with the flow. If you make a few dodgy skill decisions, so what. It's not a race.

Fly safe, amigos, fly safe.
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