Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Why should i add squad bonuses? I never add them , then shouldnt we add ganglinks too or titan?

Scorps get primaried cause they are so easy to kill,low resists low ehp. No contradiction there.
Yes scorp is weak , but easy to kill + some ppl still not adapted to new ecm efficiency ---> primary.
Scorp is a battleship , sure it needs a decent tank ,all battleships need that.

Do you realy think that the buffed scorpion will be viable, especially as its cost probably will be increased by a lot ?

More fool you, then. Squad bonuses are available to everyone in a squad with an appropriately-skilled (not hard) and valid squad booster. If you never add them then you're either soloing a lot or doing it wrong, and since we're talking about a Scorp, the chances are that it's the latter.

Viable, yes. If you want to propose increasing the Scorp's ECM strength then I'm very sympathetic to that though, it should really have a bigger ECM strength bonus than a Blackbird, to reflect the sensor strengths of its intended targets. But really, the entire chance-based mechanic of ECM is utterly terrible and should be binned.

Maybe he put them 25km apart.

The range bonus on the Raven is kind of a big deal with torps, you know.

this is from the main ccp post:
"Cost of production will be adjusted to reflect tiericide, but so far we have not settled on exact numbers."
probably tier 1 bs will cost more , we will see



Cause it gives the same buff for every ship in exactly the same way, thats why it is not needed to apply it as you can compare every ship to eachother without the squad bonus.
I bet most people post their eft stats without the squad bonus applied.

Ever watch the market on items when there is a sudden change or buff/nerf to ship?

Of course they will go up in price.

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it is ridiculous that the phoon only has an extra 20 sig radius than the brutix.. have they seen the difference in size between the ships/classes?
Bc's should have much less sig radius.

I VETO THIS PROPOSAL!
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Are you f*cking kidding me! Caldari ships are completely worthless in PvP. The Rokh is the only anyone uses. And that mostly as a long-range sniper. Do you even look at your kill-board stats?

Ravens both standard and Navy Issue are not useful in PvP. You might have only a few compared to hundreds of kills compared to any other BS in the game.

Scorpion, I don't give a d'mn about what you claim. But the whole premise of the scorpion is bullshit. ECM boats with the recent skills that fortify sensor strength are practically worthless. As others have pointed out, if they last at all it is maybe for 2-3 cycles of their jammers. Then is it pop and back to hisec you go. Make it a combat battleship that actually is worth something!

I agree 100% with the remarks that missiles are complete crap wrt pvp compared to turrets. Missile mechanics are terrible. Why do I have to put up with a flight time that is barely shorter than sending Light Combat drones the distance? If we want to talk lore, drones which are 6m long at the shortest have MWDs, AI cores etc. Why the h*ll can't you people 'put a mwd' on missile? Thereby reducing flight-time so we can actually use our missiles at full range. Rather than sticking them up the other guy's tail?!

Continuing the remarks on missiles, what is with the Kinetic damage bonuses?! Are you trying to make caldari missile ships worthless in pvp? Cause you are succeeding so d*mn well I would give you a gold medal. Missiles are not even close to balanced compared to turrets or drones. End of story!

One last thing, resistance bonuses are instrumental in keeping Caldari ships remotely useful. Shield tanking is the only one that has a 0% hole in the default bonuses. If you add up the resistances across the board for Armor and Shield; shield is indisputably disadvantaged. The 5% resistance/level bonuses on Caldari ships is the only thing that allows pilot to stand a chance of competing with armor tankers.

I will urge you to rethink your proposal and actually look at the data with unbaised eyes. Since some of your devs seem to confuse their personal playing with their work.

(Minmatar are called Winmatar on the forums for a reason you know...)

Apparently CCP Rise is now reading and providing some feedback about battleships, so here we go.

The Raven still needs some improvement. Actually, I think that all battleships that rely on mobility need a particular improvement.

Fly a Talos for a while. You use cap-hungry guns, and a cap-hungry MWD, right ?

Now fly a shield Typhoon for example. Or a Raven/Tempest. None of those ships use cap-hungry weapons, correct ?

But they have a terribly low amount of cap. Scrap that, the problem isn't the total amount of cap or even the cap regen.

The problem is in the 100MN MWD.

Battleships are slow to reach their top speed. 100MN MWDs have very much higher capacitor needs than 10MN MWDs (which is normal). The problem is that the capacitor need isn't inline with what battleships can provide.

As such, almost all battleships that rely on cap-hungry guns and/or mobility fit a heavy cap booster.

Ships that I've seen fitted with a cap booster :

Tempests, Typhoons, Abaddons, Armageddons, Ravens, Rokhs, Megathrons, Hyperions, Dominixes, Apocalypses.

That's almost all battleships except for the Maelstrom, which does fit capboosters but only on their active-tanked versions.

Now let's ask ourselves why is this happening.

It's simple.

I compared two ships so that I can highlight what's going on. A Naga, and a Raven. Both are the attack variants. The Naga is the attack battlecruiser, the Raven is the attack battleship.

All V, the Naga provides +13.5 cap/s. The Raven provides +16.8 cap/s. All is good, the battleship provides more cap than the Naga, that's normal.

A 10MN MWD requires 13.5 cap/s to keep running, while the 100MN MWD requires 54 cap/s.

This is where things go wrong, in my humble opinion.

An attack battleship revolves around "moving fast". I mean, as fast as a battleship can be.

Battleships are slow by design, they take multiple cycles to get to full speed, and their full speed is of course way slower than any other subcapital ship.

So why are we restricting them with this cap issue ? How come I can keep a Naga running at full speed while throwing Null L shells around for 4mn while a Raven will deplete its cap in 2mn10s with just a MWD running ?

Alright, how do we currently fix this ? Simple, we fit heavy capboosters.

What happens then ? You sacrifice a medslot, you lose 1925 PWG and 40 CPU. You need to stock capboosters somewhere and can't fight for very long if you also have an Ancillary shield booster. You can't kite for long either, while a Naga (or any other battlecruiser) can do it without any cap issue even when shooting guns.

In exchange, you get to keep running when neuted, that's correct. However, what would you fit if you don't really care about neuting but still want to keep your MWD running ? Realisticly, you're forced to fit a heavy cap booster.

Now what do we do ?

CCP Rise, if you're reading this and I know you will, I'm just pointing out the reason why *attack battleships* probably won't work as expected or at least won't perform as good as one would expect them to.

I can provide some possible solutions, here they are, It's up to you to decide which one you want to see implemented :

Reduce 100MN MWD cap usage : This one is pretty straight forward. But I have this feeling that you won't pick that one because it's the easiest one. And I know you almost never chose the simplest choice. It will fix the problem, to a certain extend, but you won't like it, I know it.

Introduce the X-large Capacitor Battery : I just thought about this. The current largest cap battery is the "Large Capacitor Battery II".

It provides 700 Cap, grants a reflective bonus against capwarfare, and it uses 100 CPU and 275 PWG.

Cap batteries truly are useless on Battleships. They are useful in CERTAIN, VERY SPECIFIC situations on cruisers and I think that it's mostly alright. But on battleships, they are of no use.

I think it's a good occasion to make them useful. I'll create a debate thread about cap-batteries.

For * sake cruise missiles will go over 11km/s on a Raven and will reach every target very very fast. You won't even be able to escape them if you mjd away - they'll make an inspace turn and just continue to the target (if the target stays locked).

The only thing the Raven needs is more shield HP. It won't break anything, really.