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But there is one difference:
The Blasterboat needs to jump into the right range, otherwise he will loose his ship.
If the Minmatar doesn't jump into the right range he only looses an oportunity to kill someone.
The only bad thing that could happen to the Minmatar is if he accidently jumpes into the Blasterrange. Then he might get problems. But chances aren't that huge.

So whats the difference?
Blastership needs to jump successfully or he will loose his ship, AC ship needs to jump successfully or he will loose the opportunity.

In general, with a Blastership you always have to dive deep into the fire and take all risks to be successfull.

still using auto cannons on my Myr

buff the range ffs!

Not emptyquoting! Would bring a nice unique gameplay twist and complement the blaster role very nicely.

How about an update post from any Dev, that this thread *is* being picked through? No need for an actual statement of intend (not from me anyway), just a little something that says you're reading this.

Though I do not use this gun type, one reason many Gallente ship users feel shafted is that *both* of their weapon systems have problems. At least with Caldari, they can fallback to Missiles (not perfect either, but functioning). What does a Gal ship user have to fallback on? Drones.

*snerk*

CCP, if you're going to use lore or PF as part of your argument for Hybrid weapon balancing, then its important to take another look at Drones. Otherwise that argument will not hold water. Even refining their logic would be great right about now.

As i said, a BIT MORE DPS, and can't chose damage, so yes, blaster are better from 0 to 4000m, and AC better from 5km to 60km, and AC ship are faster than blasterboat, so are able to dictate the range, so don't come tell me it's fair and balanced. And yes, the range is the point, cause doing more DPS on EFT don't mean more DPS in the battlefield.


It's maybe cause falcon, logi, med range ship are all over the place no? You diden't responded anything, you just say "blaster got enought DPS" and i say "10% more DPS in a 5km range when a standard battlefield is on at least 30km range don't balance the fact minmatar boat are more versatile and have more survivability and adaptability in PVP"

Standard math. You say a blasterboat have to land under 10km (i say under 5km cause crappy web, the time to lock, ect) and a minmatar boat have to land under 25km, upper to 5km, and got a better scan res. Here is the math : 5km < 20Km

+if the target is at 0m/s, if it's a trap, you are ****** in blasterboat, and not ****** in AC boat.

Well, first off, consensual 1v1 combat is actually quite common in high sec and folks often seem to prefer to jump right on top of each other. But, if you are one of those who says high sec PvP isn't real PvP, then we'll move along.

As for how often you find a non-moving, non-consensual target... as with many things in Eve, it happens surprisingly more often than you might think. Don't believe me? Well, I cannot do much about that and not much point in arguing about it.

Small fleet - yep, usually moving and hard to jump directly to blaster range, unless the FC is dicking around (which never happens). But, if you are in a small fleet, then you probably have dedicated tacklers, too. And jumping to them, at blaster range, after a target has been tackled, is pretty straightforward. If you are solo, going after a small fleet, well.... what can I say, but good luck?

Medium/large fleet - don't often see much call for blaster boats, true enough, except for the occasional large scale gank. But, except for the random roam, most fleet compositions are standardized, without much variety in ship or weapon types - so, not only blaster boats are ignored here.

I've liked how everyone says that you always have to fit a MWD, a scram, and a web, in order to do PvP. If this were true, CCP should just perma-fit these modules to every ship in the game.

Sarcasm aside, you admit that if you land on target - magickally or whatever - you don't need the MWD. A scram and dual webs are going to pin down most ships, Minmatar or otherwise, unless they use ECM to break the locks. This is a tactic I'd consider against a Minmatar ship, simply because trying to chase one down in a blaster boat is usually futile (or fatal).

If I'm hunting non-Minmatar ships which are slower than my blaster boat, they I'd probably switch back to using a MWD, and a scram, and possibly a web (but maybe not).

I guess that my main point is that there isn't (and should not be) one ship, one weapon, one race, one loadout, to fit all situations. Certainly, some combinations (Minmatar + ACs) have greater flexibility and can be used in a variety of combat situations. Whereas others are more specialized, and are suited for specific types of combat. Blasters and blaster boats fit into the latter category - and trying to adapt them into a general-purpose role doesn't make much sense, when there are already plenty of other options for those roles.

As a few posters have stated earlier, I don't want to turn blasters into ACs and I don't want blasters to become the insta-win of close combat. There has to be variety, and there has to always be risk, or PvP just isn't fun.

Didnt we start the thread saying that gallente are slow? So by that premise, the opponent will be able to kite you if Gallente are slower than them. And all other races have better mid range weapons..

I noticed that you excluded the Myrmidon from the speed buff list and I wonder why!
Do you consider the myrmidon a sniping ship? All of us know exactly how to fit a myrm for PVP and all of us know that you MUST use blasters or projectile autocannons! So please consider giving the +5 speed bonus to the myrmidon too. (+10 may be too much because the myrm is not a gunboat)

For the rest I feel very satisfied with your choices, good job guys

Ahahaha. Get real. Yeah, i've dropped in at zero on a newb a few dozen times in the last six years too. That doesn't mean it's a common occurence at all. Another bum premise.



Obviously you don't need full tackle if your gang or fleet is flush with dedicated tackle, but I think you'll find fleets of that size tend to disqualify blasters (for reasons you've already hinted at). Thusly, in blaster-friendly pvp (very small gang, solo) you do need the trinity.



Are you actually suggesting no prop mod at all? heh



If you're hunting minmatar ships SLOWER than your blaster boat, you're hunting battleships in a cruiser or frigate.



Sure, there shouldn't be one ship for all situations. That's exactly the problem I have with projectiles and minmatar in general. Blasters should have more of a general effective window of opportunitiy. They shouldn't be able to disengage at will, but they should have a reasonable chance to punish ships they tackle, that is supposed to be their forte.