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Brooks Puuntai Solar Nexus. Likes received: 2,030	#81 - 2011-09-07 11:30:23 UTC 3 If you do decide on doing that. Just don't be that guy that spams peoples Evemail with useless CSM crap. Just because you saw me in local doesn't mean I give a **** that you are running and why. CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden

Vin Hellsing

Likes received: 104

#82 - 2011-09-07 11:33:43 UTC

Meryl SinGarda wrote:

Vin Hellsing wrote:

Meryl SinGarda wrote:

pussnheels wrote:

The major issue here is that the large majority of eve players don t care about the csm, i even know some older players who don t even know what the csm is or what they are suppose to represent
That is why we have a majority of nullsec alliance members in the csm
This is indeed a problem and should really be adressed , probably by using a major information campaign or something else

I respect the current elected csm members as individual persons thou i certainly don t agree with them on who they think are representing or their ideas about how eve should be

I agree. Something needs to be done for the playerbase as a whole. I'm not talking just people on the forums, I'm talking about everyone in the game. Before the next CSM, we need to initiate a campaign, something that speaks to everyone, something that grabs their attention and tells them that they really need to vote.

A banner on the login screen would be a start, but there needs to be more than that.

I have an idea. We could set up a CSM awareness committee, one that sends agents to every corner of known Empire space and helps spread the knowledge/purpose of the CSM to the masses. Jita, Rens, Dodixie, Amarr, etc. Another is a video campaign series that points out an important set of guidelines on who you should vote for. Like, say...

"Vote for the CSM you think best matches your interests - don't go by what he says, go by what he does."

Stuff like that. Personally I am considering running for CSM, but I have my doubts.

Exactly, there are too many people that don't even know what the CSM is. And even with the login screen banner, I'm pretty sure a lot of people just glaze over it as they rush to login to do whatever they want to do.

You recruit a mass of volunteers and dispatch them all over the galaxy, visiting systems and chatting with interested players, I am almost sure we can make the next CSM a CSM to remember.

I would be happy to volunteer for this. Someone make a video and I'll keep it handy. This could be really fun.

Downtime's over. Contact me ingame, will ya? I want to talk this over.

Tallian Saotome

Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.

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#83 - 2011-09-07 11:34:14 UTC | Edited by: Tallian Saotome

Brooks Puuntai wrote:

If you do decide on doing that. Just don't be that guy that spams peoples Evemail with useless CSM crap. Just because you saw me in local doesn't mean I give a **** that you are running and why.

This is exactly why its hard to get people to vote Blink

Spam rookie, and possible enlist/apply for ISD. That IS what the ISD is for, its a volunteer position, and if your an adult, your pretty much in. I understand they always need more people.

Contact an existing ISD, and find out if you want to join the STAR division, or the IC division to be empowered to do what you are wanting to do.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISD

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.

2,678
Barakkus Likes received: 2,678	#84 - 2011-09-07 11:44:59 UTC 1 If you think the CSM is anything more than a PR tool and an ego boost for the members, I have some "Charons" to sell you. http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc

Trebor Daehdoow

The Scope

Gallente Federation

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#85 - 2011-09-07 12:20:21 UTC

The Mittani wrote:

if only the badposters could make up their minds:

either

1. the csm has too much power and is leading us on a ~road to ruin~

or

2. the csm are powerless pr tools and shills of ccp and completely irrelevant

pick one already

"The test of a first rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function" -- F. Scott Fitzgerald.

I'm depending on all these first-rate minds to vote for me in the next election, of course!

Private Citizen • CSM in recovery

Vin Hellsing

Likes received: 104

#86 - 2011-09-07 12:50:38 UTC

Trebor Daehdoow wrote:

The Mittani wrote:

You may have competition: Me. :P

Voivod Rhahk'an Anstian

Doomheim

Likes received: 14

#87 - 2011-09-07 13:02:44 UTC | Edited by: Voivod Rhahk'an Anstian

CSM is completely irrelevant bunch of wackos voted by tiny minority of playerbase, so I wouldn't pay too much attention to them. They have no power, no legitimacy to speak on behalf of community and only privilege they enjoy are ocassional free tours to Iceland - which CCP is willing to pay because, oddly enough, they think that CSM is good for their public image.

Cearain

Plus 10 NV

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#88 - 2011-09-07 13:33:48 UTC | Edited by: Cearain

RougeOperator wrote:

Sorry to say its CCP thats doing all the damage.

Most of the people being upset is reactions to what CCP has done. OR more to many peoples points not done.

They have been shooting themselves in the foot. Ran out of feet and worked their way up to the knees and left hand. They are closing in on hitting a fatal organ.

Just my opinion.

You have been saying allot of things I agree with.

CCP *has* been spending more time and resources giving us things to wear instead of do.

CCP *has* reassigned all the devs to other games and incarna leaving almost nothing for the core of eve gameplay.

There *is* only a skeleton crew for flying in space features.

Many players *are* leaving the game because they feel ccp has abandoned the game.

CCP said there are allot of new players in eve now. Yet the total number of subscriptions has not really been increasing.... This should tell you there are allot of people leaving.

All of this is true and fairly uncontroversial. Why get angry at Mittani for simply stating these facts? At this point he is just stating the obvious.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Meryl SinGarda

Belligerent Underpaid Tactical Team

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#89 - 2011-09-07 13:41:08 UTC | Edited by: Meryl SinGarda

I'm off to bed at the moment, but I wanted to leave this here.

There is a small organization in the works that will directly influence and benefit the next CSM. Keep watch on the forums and in-game.

I'd also like to mention that I have been extremely harsh and defensive about my views and opinions as of late, but I am working on this.

That is all.

Meissa Anunthiel

Redshift Industrial

Rooks and Kings

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#90 - 2011-09-07 13:53:30 UTC | Edited by: Meissa Anunthiel

Flamespar wrote:

With all the chest beating that is going on from the CSM, and their constant claims to speak for the playerbase even though they can only claim to represent a subset.

And with all the the constant anti-CCP drivel (some justified, some wild speculation) that they feel free to spout to whomever will listen. I want to know:

What happens if the CSM is abusing it's privilage? If subscriptions are down, is it also not possible that CSM is complicit due to the damage that they are doing to EVE through interviews like the Mitanni has been doing?

Can we, the players that they claim to represent, ask them to step down?

You can not vote for people who you think don't represent you. It may be that Mittens adequately represents the people who voted for him (I wouldn't know, I didn't vote for him :p).

And, speaking for myself, but being _elected_ by a subset does not prevent one from trying to represent even those who didn't vote for him. Many many new players haven't voted, yet we try to speak in their name whenever the opportunity arises. The numerous casual players are also most likely underrepresented in terms of votes, and yet I've spent substancial amounts of time and effort defending their play style. I doubt many scammers or gankers voted for me, and yet I realize their playstyle is a necessary part of the ecosystem and I therefore defend their playstyle as well.

If a CSM member were to totally ignore a segment of the population in their arguments when discussing with CCP, leaving aside the fact that I would speak for that segment, the devs we are talking to are not idiots, they are as cognizant to the electorate of each delegate as you are.

And no, we are not complicit to decreased attendance, but it's true that there is a potential for damage. With power comes responsibility, so vote for people who have that in mind next time if you don't think the currently elected members do a good job at it.

I will finally add that you seem to ignore the fact that there was about 2 months of silence while we tried to work things out with CCP, but at the end of the day if no resolution can be reached, is it not our responsibility to inform the players of what is going on? Each does so in his own style, Mittens has his, but he's not the only one... Listen to others ;-)

Member of CSM 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7

Vyral Technologies 423
Ana Vyr Vyral Technologies Likes received: 423	#91 - 2011-09-07 14:02:31 UTC Maybe voting should be a mandatory process built right into the client. The way things are now, if nobody votes we end up with special interests controlling everything. You also lose the right to complain about it if you don't vote.

Richard Hammond II

Doomheim

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#92 - 2011-09-07 15:25:35 UTC | Edited by: Richard Hammond II

Brooks Puuntai wrote:

So Mittani and the other CSM haven't actually broken any NDA rules and have done what they are suppose to do and voice their personal opinions/concerns and those of whom they represent? Just because he doesn't represent YOU personally doesn't mean they aren't doing what they are suppose to. You are trying to lump everyone into the same category as far as US, when in all actuality there are many who actually do think the actions and voice of the CSM are right.

If you don't like it then vote for someone else next time. Its kind of how the democratic system works.

wanna know something good about the like system? We can now tell posters like this are ACTUALLY in the minority by the fact that he hasnt gotten even ONE like. Dude dont you have an alt account? "like" youself man!

Tallian Saotome wrote:

BTW, you do know that I pointed that out because Mittens is a retired lawyer, right? Shocked

BTW you know once you start believing what Mittens says youre getting trolled right?

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.

Richard Hammond II

Doomheim

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#93 - 2011-09-07 15:37:08 UTC

Tallian Saotome wrote:

Trebor wrote the Wizardry series of games in the early 80s, Don't take my word for it, find the truth for yourself.

Quote:

Wizardry began as a simple dungeon crawl by Andrew C. Greenberg and Robert Woodhead. It was written when they were students at Cornell University and then published by Sir-Tech. The first five games in the series were written in Apple Pascal, an implementation of UCSD Pascal, and were ported to many different platforms by writing UCSD Pascal implementations for the target machines (Mac II cross-development).

David W. Bradley took over the series after the fourth installment, adding a new level of plot and complexity. Woodhead went on to found the North American anime import company AnimEigo and Greenberg went on to become an intellectual property lawyer and contributor to the Squeak open source project. Greenberg also wrote another game series, Star Saga.

The earliest installments of Wizardry were quite successful, as they were the first graphically-rich incarnations of Dungeons & Dragons-type gameplay for home computers. The release of the first version coincided with the height of D&D's popularity in North America.

Thanks for the advice. I looked it up myself. Which one of those guys is Trebor? Better yet where is the info that shows their real names so I can look it up myself lol

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.

KaarBaak

Squirrel Team

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#94 - 2011-09-07 15:48:06 UTC

Richard Hammond II wrote:

Tallian Saotome wrote:

Trebor wrote the Wizardry series of games in the early 80s, Don't take my word for it, find the truth for yourself.

Quote:

Thanks for the advice. I looked it up myself. Which one of those guys is Trebor? Better yet where is the info that shows their real names so I can look it up myself lol

Try spelling Robert Woodhead's name backward and see if that doesn't help.

Dum Spiro Spero

The Merchants of War 25
Puppet Mas'ter The Merchants of War Likes received: 25	#95 - 2011-09-07 15:55:42 UTC So how SUCCESSFUL a lawyer was Mittens then Thats the next question What firms was he attached to? CCP: Madness!!! This is FiS Us: Fis? chuckle (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ Us: THIS IS EVE


Puppet Mas'ter The Merchants of War Likes received: 25	#96 - 2011-09-07 15:58:07 UTC Id kinda like to see the stupidity of thwe CSM taken apart cause as has been said, theres no way to gert a real, working, democratic system in a system like this working,. CCP: Madness!!! This is FiS Us: Fis? chuckle (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ Us: THIS IS EVE

Two step

Aperture Harmonics

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#97 - 2011-09-07 16:21:07 UTC

Meryl SinGarda wrote:

Can I join your secret cabal against the CSM? Those guys suck!

CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog

Viziam Amarr Empire 2,561
Ladie Harlot Viziam Amarr Empire Likes received: 2,561	#98 - 2011-09-07 16:24:17 UTC 9 Mittens should be Chairman of the CSM for life. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

Ingvar Angst

Nasty Pope Holding Corp

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#99 - 2011-09-07 16:24:58 UTC

Jita Alt666 wrote:

I suggest the OP does some reading on political systems. Democracy is the best system humanity has managed to put into practise. One of the side effects is that if you don't like the results you have very options other than to attempt to ensure the results are different next time.

However, when the vast majority have no idea what's even going on or who or what the CSM is, thus don't even realize there's a chance to vote, you're going to wind up with people being elected by the loud minority.

That never gives good results.

Six months in the hole... it changes a man.

GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1,530
Vile rat GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation Likes received: 1,530	#100 - 2011-09-07 16:31:16 UTC 13 To all who voted for me: I hope I've represented you well! Feel free to contact me to discuss issues you'd like represented. hugs and kisses, The guy who won the election.