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So what happens if we feel the CSM does not represent us?

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Flamespar
State War Academy
Caldari State
#41 - 2011-09-07 08:11:34 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
The Old Chap wrote:
Problem is that the large nullsec alliances can wield a big block vote, and take over the CSM just like they can own nullsec in-game. Other players are in a majority but their votes are spread over other candidates... weren't there about 50 last time?

Maybe the CSM voting system should only allow one toon to stand from each alliance, and only allow main characters to stand, the one with the most SP's on an account?

There's really no way to stop people from forming political parties with shared goals based on mutual self-interest.
If you figure one out pass it on to Syria quick.


And as undesirable as this may be, it does at least point to the high motivation and investment in the game that null sec players have.
The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#42 - 2011-09-07 08:12:53 UTC
if only the badposters could make up their minds:

either

1. the csm has too much power and is leading us on a ~road to ruin~

or

2. the csm are powerless pr tools and shills of ccp and completely irrelevant

pick one already

~hi~
Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#43 - 2011-09-07 08:13:54 UTC
Steph Wing wrote:
Flamespar wrote:
Corrected for you. From memory somewhere between 10-15% of players voted. Which is a minority.


A minority of players may have voted, but how can you expect your views to be represented if you don't vote?


yes cause EVERY SINGLE PERSON HERE
was here when the CSM were elected

I wasnt.

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.
Stormhammer Investments
Doomheim
#44 - 2011-09-07 08:15:52 UTC
I voted for The Mittani because he is so active on the forums and he represents the majority of players who reside in highsec.

Oh.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#45 - 2011-09-07 08:17:29 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
if only the badposters could make up their minds:

either

1. the csm has too much power and is leading us on a ~road to ruin~

or

2. the csm are powerless pr tools and shills of ccp and completely irrelevant

pick one already

i err towards #2 due to the lack of dragon tattoos available in chargen
Prince Kobol
#46 - 2011-09-07 08:18:02 UTC
Simple answer to the OP question

Nothing
Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#47 - 2011-09-07 08:22:02 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
if only the badposters could make up their minds:

either

1. the csm has too much power and is leading us on a ~road to ruin~

or

2. the csm are powerless pr tools and shills of ccp and completely irrelevant

pick one already



Your both an you know it. You have CCP's ear (dont pretend you dont, Ive seen your boasts as to all youve accomplished, an if thaose are to be belived...), you dont represent 75% of the player base.

CCP picks and chooses when to consult you guys, and whwn to put out changes and do what they want regardless of what you guys say/want. 13 plexes. Cause you guys were consulted ahead of time there right?

ANY group given CCP's ear is a bad idea in a game as diverse as this.

The better question is Mittens, How much of you guys' boasting of how influential you are is true?

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.
AnzacPaul
Farmhouse.
Fraternity.
#48 - 2011-09-07 08:22:17 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
if only the badposters could make up their minds:

either

1. the csm has too much power and is leading us on a ~road to ruin~

or

2. the csm are powerless pr tools and shills of ccp and completely irrelevant

pick one already



Why 3 months ago did you sit down with Zulu and pretty much tell the entire Eve community that this was just bad communication between the players and CCP, and now you are on the full warpath against them?

Players were spouting these issues back then when you had inside information on the happenings inside CCP, and it took you 3 months to decide that this wasn't acceptable?

How about you make up your mind?
Jita Alt666
#49 - 2011-09-07 08:27:47 UTC
AnzacPaul wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
if only the badposters could make up their minds:

either

1. the csm has too much power and is leading us on a ~road to ruin~

or

2. the csm are powerless pr tools and shills of ccp and completely irrelevant

pick one already



Why 3 months ago did you sit down with Zulu and pretty much tell the entire Eve community that this was just bad communication between the players and CCP, and now you are on the full warpath against them?

Players were spouting these issues back then when you had inside information on the happenings inside CCP, and it took you 3 months to decide that this wasn't acceptable?

How about you make up your mind?


Probably, because like all reasonable people, when you are given some communication from a rational stakeholder in an enterprise, you do not simply throw it back in their face in anger. You take the time needed to assess the validity of what you have been given and if the rational stakeholder has made a commitment to action, you allow them to proceed to undertake said actions. Once an appropriate amount of time has passed it is prudent to reassess the information given and assess progress on any given commitments. If at that point the rational stakeholder is found wanting further action may be required.

Its not rocket science people.
Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#50 - 2011-09-07 08:34:33 UTC
Jita Alt666 wrote:
AnzacPaul wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
if only the badposters could make up their minds:

either

1. the csm has too much power and is leading us on a ~road to ruin~

or

2. the csm are powerless pr tools and shills of ccp and completely irrelevant

pick one already



Why 3 months ago did you sit down with Zulu and pretty much tell the entire Eve community that this was just bad communication between the players and CCP, and now you are on the full warpath against them?

Players were spouting these issues back then when you had inside information on the happenings inside CCP, and it took you 3 months to decide that this wasn't acceptable?

How about you make up your mind?


Probably, because like all reasonable people, when you are given some communication from a rational stakeholder in an enterprise, you do not simply throw it back in their face in anger. You take the time needed to assess the validity of what you have been given and if the rational stakeholder has made a commitment to action, you allow them to proceed to undertake said actions. Once an appropriate amount of time has passed it is prudent to reassess the information given and assess progress on any given commitments. If at that point the rational stakeholder is found wanting further action may be required.

Its not rocket science people.


lol you choose to defend them fanatically "In defense of Icarna" While being informed on the matter...
dude he didnt do anything you said, and its quite obvious. He didnt reserve judgment, he was fanboiing them hard until ercently, when he did a sudden 180

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.
Darius Shakor
Second Shakor Clan
#51 - 2011-09-07 09:58:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Darius Shakor
I have read his interview on EN24 and all I can say is that I agree with a lot of people here,

Mittani does not represent or speak for all of eve like he claims. I see statements in his interview like 'No one uses PI'

Sorry Mittens but I don't expect you to notice being an elite PVPer and all. I am no carebear myself even if I have dabbled in industry in eve but I can tell you that a great many people do use PI. Even your alliance use it, unless you buy your own POS fuel, that is. I doubt this...

No one wanted Incarna?

I have been playing eve since the first year of retail release. People want Incarna. They have asked for it as frequent as flying on planets since eve's release. Is your real issue that Incarna has been created out of a need for WoD mechanics with full body avatars? If so then just say that instead of a blanket statement about no one wanting it. The people who spoke up about not wanting do not want it, but they are a far cry from everyone. Are they a minority or majority? I have no idea and neither do you. Unless you have a quantifiable survey you conducted to prove me wrong.

And just because Incarna was made because of a need for it in WoD, does not make eve a 'testbed' for the mechanic. They can test the mechanic just fine on one computer in their office. They do no need to test it on eve. They put it in eve because they finally had it and could give it to us. Because people had been asking for it for longer than you have even played the game. And if they did not give it to us then you would see a totally different dissent on the forums, with unhappy people wanting it for eve too. Because the only truth about WoD linked to EVE is that our subs have paid for the development of WoD and everything it contains and people would feel an entitlement to it.

One thing to always remember Mittless is that people only speak out when they are not happy,and those that are have no need to speak. There are anti-Incarna threads galore on the old forum, sure. There are no pro-Incarna thread. This is because of what I just said, though, not because of prevailing majority sentiment. If you cannot understand this, still, then you have proven you have no business as CSM chair.

In short, you do not speak for us all, and you actually have no idea what people in eve really think. You have a one sided agenda to make eve more pew pew and you ignore the people that want other stuff as well.

Darius Shakor - Kacha

Vandeamon Writing Project - EVE Works
pussnheels
Viziam
#52 - 2011-09-07 10:24:50 UTC  |  Edited by: pussnheels
Next election when we vote ,start a campaign to get the interest of all the NON nullsec alliance members/players to go and vote ,

Voting only takes 2 minutes

Learning about the candidates takes a bit longer but you can read that while gatecamping, mining , autopiloting etc etc

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Jenshae Chiroptera
#53 - 2011-09-07 10:25:24 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
if only the badposters could make up their minds:

either

1. the csm has too much power and is leading us on a ~road to ruin~

or

2. the csm are powerless pr tools and shills of ccp and completely irrelevant

pick one already


Bit sticky. You are making a lot of noise now but what do you believe of those two?

1) .... would you admit it?
2) Can we believe it?

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Vin Hellsing
#54 - 2011-09-07 10:27:50 UTC
This has been an issue that repeats itself every CSM cycle.

The votes of the superblob alliances seem to have had more weight than the average capsuleer, and I think that needs to be adjusted. I care very little for the hive-mind mentalities of blob alliances, and while I do care for game balance on every aspect of the game, seeing a CSM get so full of himself that he doesn't seem to take into account every possible view is what I consider the worst kind of politician.

Here's what I think: We need a leader who's willing to bludgeon his way through the red tape and still be able to keep things balanced with his approach to the community and CCP. In other words, giving everybody a say in the matter, not just himself and his little cronies.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#55 - 2011-09-07 10:31:26 UTC
So Mittani and the other CSM haven't actually broken any NDA rules and have done what they are suppose to do and voice their personal opinions/concerns and those of whom they represent? Just because he doesn't represent YOU personally doesn't mean they aren't doing what they are suppose to. You are trying to lump everyone into the same category as far as US, when in all actuality there are many who actually do think the actions and voice of the CSM are right.

If you don't like it then vote for someone else next time. Its kind of how the democratic system works.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden
Vin Hellsing
#56 - 2011-09-07 10:31:39 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
if only the badposters could make up their minds:

either

1. the csm has too much power and is leading us on a ~road to ruin~

or

2. the csm are powerless pr tools and shills of ccp and completely irrelevant

pick one already



Or you could shut up and step down. You're not a balanced leader at all, and I think it's about time for you to relinquish your role to someone that knows how to do the job properly.

That is, someone who's had political training, and not some kleptocratic spymaster.
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpaid Tactical Team
#57 - 2011-09-07 10:32:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Meryl SinGarda
Last round of CSM, I voted for the indie player. I don't even think she/he made it in (I also don't remember the character name). How do you compete against an entire alliance voting for their own?
Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#58 - 2011-09-07 10:34:40 UTC
Darius Shakor wrote:
Mittani does not represent or speak for all of eve like he claims. I see statements in his interview like 'No one uses PI'

If the CEO of an alliance that is known for advising its new members to use PI to make ISK, that holds frequent (high quality) PI classes on their TS3 to educate people about making sense of PI, that buys PI goods at reasonable prices from the local market, ... says "No one uses PI" he might be on to something...

I don't know of any other 0.0 alliance that puts as much of an emphasis on PI as GSF.
Vin Hellsing
#59 - 2011-09-07 10:36:03 UTC
Florestan Bronstein wrote:
Darius Shakor wrote:
Mittani does not represent or speak for all of eve like he claims. I see statements in his interview like 'No one uses PI'

If the CEO of an alliance that is known for advising its new members to use PI to make ISK, that holds frequent (high quality) PI classes on their TS3 to educate people about making sense of PI, that buys PI goods at reasonable prices from the local market, ... says "No one uses PI" he might be on to something...

I don't know of any other 0.0 alliance that puts as much of an emphasis on PI as GSF.




He may have been trolling. When we take our EVE seriously, we don't appreciate trolls in our politics.

What we need in the next CSM, is some R&R...

Respect & Results.
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#60 - 2011-09-07 10:37:53 UTC
A more correct question would be "So what happens if you feel the CSM does not represent you?

The answer is: a lot of rabble.

Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook