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Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#61 - 2013-04-06 16:07:19 UTC
it's kind of hard to imagine that japan was still was still all about bows and arrows, swords and feudalism less 150 years ago. in just 70 years they went from abolishing the samurai to being the only nation ever to have nukes dropped on them in war lol.

and now, peasants hardly 4 generations removed from rice paddys....are working on robot sex.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#62 - 2013-04-06 16:18:00 UTC
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:
it's kind of hard to imagine that japan was still was still all about bows and arrows, swords and feudalism less 150 years ago. in just 70 years they went from abolishing the samurai to being the only nation ever to have nukes dropped on them in war lol.

and now, peasants hardly 4 generations removed from rice paddys....are working on robot sex.


And just about 100-ish years ago flight was a wild dream of 2 crazy brothers (actual brothers, not black people)

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Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#63 - 2013-04-06 16:28:12 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:
it's kind of hard to imagine that japan was still was still all about bows and arrows, swords and feudalism less 150 years ago. in just 70 years they went from abolishing the samurai to being the only nation ever to have nukes dropped on them in war lol.

and now, peasants hardly 4 generations removed from rice paddys....are working on robot sex.


And just about 100-ish years ago flight was a wild dream of 2 crazy brothers (actual brothers, not black people)


that's different though. no one was flying.

i'm saying that the technological disparity between japan and the rest of the world was filled in a remarkably short amount of time. what took europe the entirety of the medieval age through the industrial revolution (like 800 years) to accomplish they did in a fraction of the time. a testament to their ingenuity, i think.
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#64 - 2013-04-06 16:32:51 UTC
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:

that's different though. no one was flying.

Actualy the Chinese were using kite gliders to scout enemy formations in around 200BC. Sustained flight was done by the Montgolfier brothers I think he's referring to in 1793.

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Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#65 - 2013-04-06 16:41:01 UTC
Kirjava wrote:
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:

that's different though. no one was flying.

Actualy the Chinese were using kite gliders to scout enemy formations in around 200BC. Sustained flight was done by the Montgolfier brothers I think he's referring to in 1793.


well to be fair , it wasn't until 500AD did the Chinese actually succeed in sustaining unpowered flight , and even then they only did 2.4km , and 5 out of the 6 test pilots died What?

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Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#66 - 2013-04-06 16:45:35 UTC
Kirjava wrote:
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:

that's different though. no one was flying.

Actualy the Chinese were using kite gliders to scout enemy formations in around 200BC. Sustained flight was done by the Montgolfier brothers I think he's referring to in 1793.


i think he means the wright brothers at kitty hawk, north carolina.
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#67 - 2013-04-06 16:46:04 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Kirjava wrote:
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:

that's different though. no one was flying.

Actualy the Chinese were using kite gliders to scout enemy formations in around 200BC. Sustained flight was done by the Montgolfier brothers I think he's referring to in 1793.


well to be fair , it wasn't until 500AD did the Chinese actually succeed in sustaining unpowered flight , and even then they only did 2.4km , and 5 out of the 6 test pilots died What?

Is still makes me impressed we had that beginnings of the technology that long ago. Similarly the Romans weren't that far off of discovering electricity in retrospect as they were toying with what made fabrics stick together and shock sometimes, they dusted with statically charged amber for instance.

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Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#68 - 2013-04-06 16:51:19 UTC
Kirjava wrote:
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Kirjava wrote:
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:

that's different though. no one was flying.

Actualy the Chinese were using kite gliders to scout enemy formations in around 200BC. Sustained flight was done by the Montgolfier brothers I think he's referring to in 1793.


well to be fair , it wasn't until 500AD did the Chinese actually succeed in sustaining unpowered flight , and even then they only did 2.4km , and 5 out of the 6 test pilots died What?

Is still makes me impressed we had that beginnings of the technology that long ago. Similarly the Romans weren't that far off of discovering electricity in retrospect as they were toying with what made fabrics stick together and shock sometimes, they dusted with statically charged amber for instance.


tell me about it ...
The Ionians would have reached where we are today by the 1300s if they were not pooped on by the Greeks for their godless philosophy ...
(Don't get me started on how Christianity destroyed the human civilization back at the dark ages , wasting hundreds of years )

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Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#69 - 2013-04-06 17:15:15 UTC
while i have been sick i've spent a lot of time in bed, vegetating out in a rather drugged up state while awaiting to feel better, i watched a lot of tv. on one of the history channels one morning they were talking about an ancient early bronze age race on crete that was super far advanced from everyone else at the time. but they were taken out by a volcano and a tsunami. apparently they had running hot and cold water, street signs, advanced written language. all sorts of nifty things.

i could be misremembering as i was a little "altered" in my state of being but i think they called them the minoans.

i was pretty fascinated by what i could focus on between sneezes, nose blowing and general associated misery.
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#70 - 2013-04-06 17:20:23 UTC
Still we ended up here, maybe a little later than hypothetically possible but it could be construed the rest was necessary and would happen to any culture until one hit critical mass like the West did. Which I credit to the Church might I add and their curious Monks which developed much of the basis of scientific theory, Mendel for instance was a Churchman who bred beans and noted hereditary strains and applied statistics to his research.

Of course nurtured investigation turned to the schism we are familiar with, but credit where credit is due up till a point in history they were one and the same.

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Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#71 - 2013-04-06 17:29:52 UTC
oh. for sure, religion played a huge role in advancement. for centuries the learning centers were all religious institutions. the muslims, in particular, were far advanced in the sciences and medicine during the medieval ages. definitely trumping europe in those aspects. bested only by the far east at the time, i suppose.

not to imply europe was dropping the balls. they were just focused in other directions. more social and militaristic minded.
Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#72 - 2013-04-06 17:43:59 UTC
Hmm.. interesting.
So as much as war and conflict a thing that causes immense suffering , its also a device for human progress.
Look at the WWII for example.

The Germans started an extensive campaign against allied merchants ships using submarines.
The allies started sweeping the sea with Vindicators bombers and Herons.
The Germans then dived deeper and improved their battery life so they can stay submerged longer .
The allies started using Hydrophones and sonar.
The Germans then started to insulate their submarine and change their propeller design to reduce cavitation.
The allies started using even deeper depth charges and improved the sensitivity of accurateness of the magnetic mines.
The germans then dived even deeper and invented periscope depth snorkels for their submarines so they'll NEVER have to resurface again.

War , hate it , love it .
Its good for technological development

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Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#73 - 2013-04-06 18:11:20 UTC
i'll tell you one thing war is good for.

the amount of isk in my wallet.
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#74 - 2013-04-06 18:48:12 UTC
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:
i'll tell you one thing war is good for.

the amount of isk in my wallet.


Bruce Springsteen disagrees.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Rain6637
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#75 - 2013-04-06 19:02:22 UTC
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:


that's different though. no one was flying.

i'm saying that the technological disparity between japan and the rest of the world was filled in a remarkably short amount of time. what took europe the entirety of the medieval age through the industrial revolution (like 800 years) to accomplish they did in a fraction of the time. a testament to their ingenuity, i think.

studying and working abroad was not just for cultural enrichment--it was also for the technological. Blink

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Alara IonStorm
#76 - 2013-04-06 20:29:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:

i'm saying that the technological disparity between japan and the rest of the world was filled in a remarkably short amount of time. what took europe the entirety of the medieval age through the industrial revolution (like 800 years) to accomplish they did in a fraction of the time. a testament to their ingenuity, i think.

Yes buying all that industrial equipment from Europe and America and reverse engineering it sure was an ingenious idea. Why didn't Europe think of that 800 before the Industrial Revolution... Oh Wait they didn't have all the blueprints they invented them.

I think it is a testament that without European technology they would still be where they were that fraction of the time ago.
Rain6637
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#77 - 2013-04-06 20:37:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
there is a well-known story among the tech/business types in asia...

of a Japanese technology conglomerate CEO who in his budding years, went off to work for a European tech company as a janitor (with his technology background and education). he worked at the company for a year, as a janitor, during which time he became familiar with the company's technology while housekeeping. when he was thoroughly knowledgeable in the company's methods and tech, he quit and returned to his company in Japan.

no one bothered to check who the Japanese janitor was, nor did they discover his father was the CEO of the Japanese technology conglomerate at the time.

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Alara IonStorm
#78 - 2013-04-06 20:43:42 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
there is a well-known story among the tech/business types in asia...

of a Japanese technology conglomerate CEO who in his budding years, went off to work for a European tech company as a janitor (with his technology background and education). he worked at the company for a year, as a janitor, during which time he became familiar with the company's technology while housekeeping. when he was thoroughly knowledgeable in the company's methods and tech, he quit and returned to his company in Japan.

no one bothered to check who the Japanese janitor was, nor did they discover his father was the CEO of the Japanese technology conglomerate at the time.

Wow that is sne.... deceptive.
Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#79 - 2013-04-06 22:33:36 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:

i'm saying that the technological disparity between japan and the rest of the world was filled in a remarkably short amount of time. what took europe the entirety of the medieval age through the industrial revolution (like 800 years) to accomplish they did in a fraction of the time. a testament to their ingenuity, i think.

Yes buying all that industrial equipment from Europe and America and reverse engineering it sure was an ingenious idea. Why didn't Europe think of that 800 before the Industrial Revolution... Oh Wait they didn't have all the blueprints they invented them.

I think it is a testament that without European technology they would still be where they were that fraction of the time ago.


i think you are missing the point.

i'm not saying they didn't get a boost. the western powers certainly did sell them old and antiquated tech (at the time) and they certainly did reverse engineer it. they turned an isolationist, horse riding, bow shooting feudal economy that was based off of rice, not even rice...but the promise of future rice into an industrialized imperial super power in two generations. one that has consistently outdone the west ever since "catching up" in technology.

the point is that their accomplishments were impressive.
Rain6637
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#80 - 2013-04-06 23:23:47 UTC