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Why having a "girlfriend" is OUT OF FASHION!

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Reiisha
#81 - 2013-04-06 23:32:01 UTC
So that professor has never tried looking at his own surroundings?

Japan's work ethic is grueling - At a younger age, work consumes almost your entire life. It's why in the precious free time the Japanese have, they like to "express" themselves in such strange ways. Most younger people are spoonfed the idea that they won't have the time for fun, let alone making babies.

Korea would have been in the same boat if they didn't have such insanely strong family traditions.

If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...

Alara IonStorm
#82 - 2013-04-06 23:53:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:

i think you are missing the point.

i'm not saying they didn't get a boost. the western powers certainly did sell them old and antiquated tech (at the time) and they certainly did reverse engineer it.

That wasn't "a boost" as you put it, without that technology they would have most likely had no Industrial Revolution at all in any way. If they did they would have stumbled through it like the rest of the World did trying to innovate new technologies that they wouldn't know the potential of and it would take about as long.

Eurydia Vespasian wrote:

they turned an isolationist, horse riding, bow shooting feudal economy that was based off of rice, not even rice...but the promise of future rice into an industrialized imperial super power in two generations. one that has consistently outdone the west ever since "catching up" in technology.

the point is that their accomplishments were impressive.

That is all correct except for outdoing the West (Everyone outdoes people in certain area's but not all area's) but that isn't what you said, it is what you are saying now.

What you said was...
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:

what took europe the entirety of the medieval age through the industrial revolution (like 800 years) to accomplish they did in a fraction of the time.

Saying they accomplished the same in a fraction time is ridiculous when it isn't the same accomplishment. There is a huuuge Grand Canyon sized difference between learning to use an IPhone and inventing the IPhone.

As well in that fraction of time Japan was Industrializing the Industrial Revolution didn't stop everywhere else. There was massive innovation and increases in production and idea's outside of Japan. So massive that in the Second World War the US outproduced them like 20 to 1 with only about twice the population
Rain6637
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#83 - 2013-04-07 02:38:19 UTC
Eevee is indignant at this point

...and still failing to see Japan's jumps in technology resulted from the world's advances in communications, transportation, science, and manufacturing.

they'd still be feudal if they were left an island

an island, Eevee.
Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#84 - 2013-04-07 03:06:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Eurydia Vespasian
lol i'm not indignant. i just don't see what the discussion or debate is. Sad i never said japan reinvented everything and went through an entire industrial revolution from scratch on their own. of course it was dependent on other powers at the time to aid them with techs and markets and stock holding and any number of things essential to a modern nation. they had to! the west didn't go to japan to get rice and samurai swords. in order to have any viable economy to trade with they had to invest in the modernization and infrastructure of the country. that whole meiji restoration thing. thing is they took those ideas and known technologies the west gave them and they made them better. consistently better. across the board. that's what i meant in praising their ingenuity.

i'm just trying to get across that they went through the great societal changes that jump causes at a vastly accelerated rate. that kind of rapid change is a culture shock. no doubt more so for a feudal society. and it was. they fought wars over it. and the old guard ways literally had to get out of the way of the railroad tracks or have the army come destroy them. most of them chose destruction as i recall. there are probably several fine kurosawa films about this very thing.

europe had ages to ease into these changes because, yes, they did all the original legwork and it still caused massive social upheaval at every turn.

maybe i worded it stupidly. idk. if so...my apologies. it made sense to me. idk really what else to say about this lol

Rain6637 wrote:
they'd still be feudal if they were left an island


well, maybe. maybe not. someone would have probably just came and conquered them.
Alara IonStorm
#85 - 2013-04-07 04:16:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:

i'm just trying to get across that they went through the great societal changes that jump causes at a vastly accelerated rate. that kind of rapid change is a culture shock. no doubt more so for a feudal society. and it was. they fought wars over it. and the old guard ways literally had to get out of the way of the railroad tracks or have the army come destroy them. most of them chose destruction as i recall. there are probably several fine kurosawa films about this very thing.

It wasn't just internal rebellion. The reason they invaded China in 1932 was for materials as well which led to over 20 million deaths and was debatably the start of World War 2 though some say it wasn't until they launched a full invasion China in 1937. Briton did a lot bloody colonizing as well during their revolution.

There is a proven pattern that nations that Industrialized their Military tended to stomp others into the ground who weren't for cheap materials or dominated them by using local leaders and signing humiliating "friendship treaties" (Give us your stuff.) that got you machine gunned if you disagreed.

"Whatever happens we have got-

-the Maxim Gun and they have not."

White Mans Burden, Asian Co Prosperity Sphere, Manifest Destiny, it all boils down to those that can take from those that can't then proclaim they are helping. Now that Industry is everywhere who has the A Bomb or is good friends with those who do seems to be the new indicator of who gets invaded and metaled with by big Countries.

Though it seems like that is a terrible thing in some places quality of life improved under new leadership, people who were committing massacres were stopped, food got to the hungry, countries were industrialized, education improved, commerce with the Industrial Nation while usually uneven brought money in. Now North Korea has the A-Bomb and stories from their concentration camps are enough to curl your toes while people starve, unless they start a war chances of them being taken over are slim.

Case by case it is hard to tell what was right, what was wrong. A lot of opportunity and prosperity came from greed, meddling and bloodshed a half century down the line and lot hasn't... Iraq and Afghanistan for instance, good for their future in the long run after their dead have been buried or just a waste of life and money? Sadda.m and the Taliban were no picnic for the people that is to be sure. Right or wrong we will find out in the decades to come.

Eurydia Vespasian wrote:

maybe i worded it stupidly. idk. if so...my apologies. it made sense to me. idk really what else to say about this lol

I'm sorry for picking, I do that a lot.
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#86 - 2013-04-07 07:02:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Kirjava
If you start later, you have the advantage of capitalizing on knowing what went right already and emulating it. Japans economy was plugged into their advancement, but anyone could have taken a step back and seen they could only advance to the pinnacle and no further at the investment return rates. You could invest $100 into Japan in the 60's and get $1000 out in a few years until Japan became the most advanced, no more pipeline technology to implement and they had to start researching themselves. It was in the late 70's and 80's that Japan started respecting patents more as they had more to lose.

Hence the Japanese bubble, they thought they could continue advancing but were ignorant as to where the boom had come from, just catching up.

The same is happening with China, they can advance to an advanced tech driven consumer economy like the developed world, but they cannot into space.

Unless they understand where they stand and develop a space program now to create more pipeline technology ahead of time while the West cuts back assuming it is the supreme civilization for all time and the dictator of technological advancement and market demand. Which is partly why we are still in recession. It used to be when the west went into recession, global demand slumped across the board and material costs plummeted till the economy picked up.

China just soaked up everything with its spare Dollars.

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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#87 - 2013-04-07 07:37:01 UTC
No, I am pretty sure Godzilla scaring them senseless every few 100 years, is what drove their advancement. Good ol' old testament discipline to keep them active.

As well as the Japanese learning if they have less people on the island, most likely Godzilla a true predator will move to other areas that are more well populated.

Also they spent so much time looking up at Godzilla, and just seeing his junk all the time, their society has no standards towards panty shots, even the old people there, think at least that person is wearing underwear, after all the abusive junk they stared at in their younger years.

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Rain6637
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#88 - 2013-04-07 10:04:43 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
ok, here's what I'm going to do.

What the Cubans are to Miami, the Indians are to this city near Los Angeles (I'm in Orange County, near-ish to Disneyland)...

tomorrow... about 12 hours from now, I'm going to head to "little india" ... there's a nice coffee shop on a corner with big windows... I'm going to take some pictures of people driving by and maybe walking down the street

this isn't to mock them, I'm not saying Cubans in Miami or Indians in Los Angeles are good or bad--they just are what they are...

but you will see what I mean.

I'm a student, I have Friday-Sun off. I do whatever I feel, and this sounds like fun.


well ****, that didn't happen today. i hope I have better luck tomorrow! ****
Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#89 - 2013-04-07 11:27:32 UTC
WELL!
This is totally not creepy at all

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Rain6637
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#90 - 2013-04-07 14:05:36 UTC
Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#91 - 2013-04-07 14:51:53 UTC
The yanks said
"THE JAPS WON'T OUTDONE US!"

So this happened

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Alara IonStorm
#92 - 2013-04-07 15:29:25 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
The yanks said
"THE JAPS WON'T OUTDONE US!"

So this happened

The Japanese Robot looks like a Sex Toy, the American one looks like it is going to murder you. I think sex toy is just a cover, all the more surprising when the robo-geisha pulls and Assault Rifle.

I think the Japanese are being snea... deceptive about their size 4 Terminators.
Telegram Sam
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#93 - 2013-04-09 14:39:18 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
Girlfriends are out of style because Adderall has eliminated all my urges.

Dang, if only I'd had some of that stuff when I was younger. I always wanted some switch that would allow me to temporarily turn off libido distractions. Just long enough to get something done, then turn it back on. Smile
Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#94 - 2013-04-10 02:08:08 UTC
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:
lol i'm not indignant. i just don't see what the discussion or debate is. Sad i never said japan reinvented everything and went through an entire industrial revolution from scratch on their own. of course it was dependent on other powers at the time to aid them with techs and markets and stock holding and any number of things essential to a modern nation. they had to! the west didn't go to japan to get rice and samurai swords. in order to have any viable economy to trade with they had to invest in the modernization and infrastructure of the country. that whole meiji restoration thing. thing is they took those ideas and known technologies the west gave them and they made them better. consistently better. across the board. that's what i meant in praising their ingenuity.

i'm just trying to get across that they went through the great societal changes that jump causes at a vastly accelerated rate. that kind of rapid change is a culture shock. no doubt more so for a feudal society. and it was. they fought wars over it. and the old guard ways literally had to get out of the way of the railroad tracks or have the army come destroy them. most of them chose destruction as i recall. there are probably several fine kurosawa films about this very thing.

europe had ages to ease into these changes because, yes, they did all the original legwork and it still caused massive social upheaval at every turn.

maybe i worded it stupidly. idk. if so...my apologies. it made sense to me. idk really what else to say about this lol

Rain6637 wrote:
they'd still be feudal if they were left an island


well, maybe. maybe not. someone would have probably just came and conquered them.


If Asia was left alone without western influence, they'll still be stuck in the middle ages.
One of the major contributing factors of western logic revitalization is the invention of the lens. With the lens , telescopes allowed men to see afar ,microscope to study pathology ,chemical ppt and many other field of science won't even be here without the lens.

There is also the philosophical difference between the 2 cultures , Japan is a culture about personal growth and development. The most obvious indicators is by looking at its modern media. Western cartoons and films often emphasize the gun or the car , objects that EMPOWER one with freedom . Whereas for Asians its often about a journey of hardship and adversity which in the end enabled him to use the tool much more effectively .
Japan and Asia in general didn't look towards the external factors for solutions ,they first look at themselves for clues . While this has the possibilty of enriching their inner life , it also inhibited their technological growth

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Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#95 - 2013-04-15 12:08:31 UTC
Telegram Sam wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
Girlfriends are out of style because Adderall has eliminated all my urges.

Dang, if only I'd had some of that stuff when I was younger. I always wanted some switch that would allow me to temporarily turn off libido distractions. Just long enough to get something done, then turn it back on. Smile


your balls would shrink tho

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Rain6637
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#96 - 2013-04-15 12:30:53 UTC
have. have shrank tho.

it's good I don't have urges, because I'm still impossible to get along with

ivy will you be my friend?
Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#97 - 2013-04-15 12:33:17 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
have. have shrank tho.

it's good I don't have urges, because I'm still impossible to get along with

ivy will you be my friend?


Let this speak for me

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Rain6637
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#98 - 2013-04-15 12:36:55 UTC
Ghazu
#99 - 2013-04-16 06:56:42 UTC
Japan needs to ban that creepy pedal moe anime, and go back to the violent stuff of the 90s, for the survival of their race.

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984

Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#100 - 2013-04-16 07:38:48 UTC
I am good for next 173 years thank you.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard