Player Features and Ideas Discussion

troll?

If you post this in the WH section, you'll be heavily flamed!!!

Two words. No.

lol. Learn to scan properly, you're clearly bad at it if you think it always takes a long time. No thanks to Outposts and supercaps... Sites already respawn.

On the other hand, sleepers attacking POS and stuff could be fun :p Would mean you'd find less dead towers that no-one has bothered to kill if the Sleepers finish them off.

It takes somewhere between 45 to 90 seconds to scan down a k162 or a wh with the same strength with average scanning skills. What is the difficult you are experimenting?

That's an oxymoron.

Dishonest thread is dishonest. The "difficulty" of finding entrances and exits is not what keeps people out of wormholes and never has been. People stay out of them for the same reason they stay out of null: They don't like the level of risk or effort required to thrive there. That's fine, no problem, it's not their thing.

Don't pretend the changes you propose are for them though, because it'd not make any difference to them.

You're proposing changes to make things easy-mode for yourself because you are lazy and bad.

No

^^ this ^^ risk vs reward, some think it is not worth the risk, fine, let the rewards for thoses who dare venture themself inside.

i don't live in a WH, but still manage to make pretty decent isk from the ones i probe, sometime it's pretty hot, somtimes i even die, but meh, that's the game

It sounds like you need practice scanning and speed-rolling your static. You can solve a lot of your problems right now without having to wait for a game change by doing these:

1) Whenever you find another wormhole of the same class as yours (a C5?) where there are a million signatures, probe down and activate (initiate warp to and cancel warp) their grav sites, ladars, radars, and magnetometric sites. That starts their despawn timer, which is about three days. If you can clear them out yourself, they'll despawn immediately. Once a site despawns, it will spawn in another wormhole of its same class. You should have decent site turnover in a C5. C4s probably have the worst site turnover because they're less populated and not well suited for daytripping.

2) Scanning practice. If you don't have Astrometrics at least to 4 and the support skills at least to 3, start there. I know plenty of people who make do with less, but they have years and years of practice with setting up their probes optimally. (edit: you have IVs and Vs, ignore this sentence) Once you have done that, go out into k-space, put a T1 probe launcher on a nonbonused ship, load up with T1 core probes, and start scanning. Scan, scan, scan, scan. You don't have to do anything with the signatures once you get them to 100%, but pretend you're racing other explorers or a scan alt trying to find your static before you do. Some things to note (and if you know all of this, apologies, but some people still don't -- the dos and don'ts I describe are just to get you started; you'll figure out your own advanced techniques when you get there):

- Every single probe now contributes to the strength of the hit. It wasn't always this way, but now you're justified in putting out as many probes as you can. Set up your probes for maximum coverage of a single point. I like four at compass points on the x-y plane, one in the center of those points, and one up and one down in the center on the z-axis. They are always set close enough together that there is a portion at the center where all of my probes overlap.
- Shift-clicking on a probe will move all of your probes together in their formation once you have them set up.
- Alt-clicking on a probe and moving your mouse will move probes together in their formation or spread them further apart. Stick to alt-dragging when you have your initial probe formation.
- If you only click on the arrows when they are highlighted in one direction (up-down, left-right, etc.), the probe will only move in that plane. This is useful for keeping your probes level with each other on the x-y plane and centered on the z-axis. Only move your probes with the center box highlighted when you are moving the entire formation.
- Do not size down your probe scan area until you have it refined to a single dot.
- A fuzzy red sphere means the signature was only detected by one probe. Move your entire formation over to cover that sphere and scan again.
- A red circle means the hit was only detected by two probes. Move your entire formation to contain as much of that circle as you can and scan again.
- Two dots in different places means that the probes can't decide which point the best hit is. Choose one, center your formation on it, and scan again. If you come up with nothing, move your probes to the other one and scan again.
- Once you have the signature appearing as a single dot, shift-click on a probe and drag the edge in to decrease the probe radius, alt-drag them back into formation, center on that point, and scan. Keep doing this until you have your 100% hit. You can also shift-click to select all of your probes in the scanning window and right-click to get a menu to adjust their size if you prefer. Start by only decreasing by one interval each time. Once you get more experience, try decreasing by two intervals each time and see if you can sustain the hit.
- If at any point in decreasing you revert to a sphere, circle, or multiple dots, stay in that size until you have it back to a single dot.
- Once you can scan like a speedy pro in your T1 unbonused gear, get back in your covops or T3 with however much fancy scanning equipment and rigs you like to have and enjoy how much faster it is. If you can scan like a total boss with just your skills and your out-of-game experience, you'll be able to sift quickly through even the most sig-laden of systems for your path out in no time when you're using bonused ships and good equipment.

3) Speed-rolling your static requires an intimate knowledge of the mass limits. If you already have that nailed down, excellent. All you need is quick scanning. If not, know that the total mass limit of any wormhole can vary by as much as 10% from its given value. For example, a hole with a mass limit of 3 billion can vary from 2.7 billion to 3.3 billion. A dreadnought, orca, and maybe a battleship can knock that out quickly. Use 100MN afterburners to your advantage, as they add a flat 50 kt to your mass when active. T2 plates also add a chunk of mass. Armor Honeycombing will have a negligible effect on the mass of your plated ships when it comes to closing a wormhole.

The wormhole will have its mass "reduced but not critical" when at least 50% of the total mass it will allow has passed through the wormhole. It will be "critical" when at least 90% of the total mass it will allow has passed through it. It is finicky to the last kiloton, so don't rely only on those changes. Ideally your normal rolling setup will be set up so the last ship returning to your home will collapse it regardless of whether the total limit is on the high or low side of the 10% variation, and the second to last ship back will never bring the mass put through the hole up to or over the -10% threshold.

jeez, this tutorial is running long, to be continued:

that was an awesome tutorial some i knew, some is new.

the new scanning tips will deffinately help. i move each probe individually. i do have a 5 in all and i think 5 in 1. i dont remember right now.

i didnt know about the collapsing the hole like that. i knew they would collapse, but the burner adding mass? hic bubbles?
thats new to me.

we lived in a c-5 black hole with a static c2 out. it bounced by jita and solitude ever 17 days or so.

its been years tho. i didnt know there were a bunch of changes made. thats awesome.

if things dont work out here, i am deff going back to sleeper space and wh jumping.