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Beckie DeLey
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2013-03-30 21:39:19 UTC
*shrug* Not even worth the flame.

Good riddance.


I am all for helping new guys to get into the game, but some are just way too full of it.

My siren's name is Brick and she is the prettiest.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2013-03-30 21:45:12 UTC
Beckie DeLey wrote:
*shrug* Not even worth the flame.

Good riddance.


I am all for helping new guys to get into the game, but some are just way too full of it.
Indeed.
There are tons of stuff new people can do,
if they would just open their eyes and see the world full of opportunities.

Maybe the OP doesn't realize that CCP doesn't actually want these kind of people,
else they would try to reach them. Either way ... glad they don't stay for long.
Kaanchana
Tax-haven
#23 - 2013-03-30 21:45:41 UTC
See, thats called doing your homework. You expect the game to feed you everything so u dont have to make an effort.

All that i mentioned doesnt need more than a day's worth of skills to get started. I seriously cant understand what is that you want to train before u start trading? or missioning? You cant bypass lvl1 no matter how big a vet u are.

Join RVB. thats a pvp corp, which accepts all players only to fight. Did u even try searching the forums or asking for help? You just applied to random corps and decided eve is like that. Don't u think thats ********?

How the hell do u expect to do everything in eve on day 1? Tell me one single game which lets you do all in day 1?
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2013-03-30 21:47:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Leia Kommana wrote:
Not true, I did ALL the tutorials, and many more missions besides that.
My point is, what am I supposed to do now?

I can't do higher level missions, because I don't have the skills for cruisers and bigger ships, and it will be days perhaps weeks before I do.


Valid point.

For the vets who can do whatever they want, they'll be sure to come here to defend the status quo. But they're not helping the game grow, they're dinosaurs with the heads in the sand defending their turf. Happens in too many games, and then they wonder why the game becomes more of a bot haven.

CCP could improve the game by offering more for newer players who haven't experienced the skill grind (and it's a different type of grind, but has the same feel...pure timesink to pay to play). Because it takes a good month to have the skills to even do level 3 missions in a battlecruiser. A player will grow out of level 1/2 within a month, even casually playing. Then they hit the wall of trying to skill up to use a battlecruiser with enough skills to do early level 4s. Then face the real skill grind to fly a battleship.

So between cruisers and battleships there needs to be something to do. Asking players to pay to sit in a dock to level maybe fine for vets, but it's not how to attract and keep newer players. They outgrown level 1/2 missions, but level 3/4 are out of reach in a frigate (or they can make the mistake of jumping into a battlecruiser without the weapons/defense skills and now out of ships that insurance doesn't payout to replace).
And you consider PvE to be the vital part of EvE ... why ?
The PvE is crap. Everybody knows that. New people should interact with players
instead of wasting their time trying to make money by shooting NPCs.

The issue isn't the PvE grind, the issue are peopel who tell noobs to mine or run missions.

All you talk about here is the stupid grind ... as if there wasn't actually much more worth playing in this game.

CCP considers making NPCs more like actual player ships for a reason.
They want to move PvE and PvP closer together and that's definitely NOT to promote more PvE play !
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#25 - 2013-03-30 21:49:19 UTC
Leia Kommana wrote:




I am saying this to the Devs, either add more content for those starting out the game, or make skills go up faster, I know you would never do that becuase you want people to play for years, but it's a big hurdle for people like me that joined the game and want to be able to enjoy it from the beginning.


The other week I had a 30 min old newbee shadowing my megathron as a personal tackle frig. There is limitless content here but you have to go get it because it wont be given to you like inevery other MMO.
Leia Kommana
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-03-30 21:55:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Leia Kommana
Kaanchana wrote:
See, thats called doing your homework. You expect the game to feed you everything so u dont have to make an effort.

All that i mentioned doesnt need more than a day's worth of skills to get started. I seriously cant understand what is that you want to train before u start trading? or missioning? You cant bypass lvl1 no matter how big a vet u are.

Join RVB. thats a pvp corp, which accepts all players only to fight. Did u even try searching the forums or asking for help? You just applied to random corps and decided eve is like that. Don't u think thats ********?

How the hell do u expect to do everything in eve on day 1? Tell me one single game which lets you do all in day 1?


You people don't listen. I don't expect to do it all in a day, but I do expect to be able to do more after a week of playing then just more level 1 missions.

And yes, I searched the forums, I spent literally probably 15 hours reading about the game, and which direction to plan to go, so that I trained the right skills.

I asked for help. I looked for cops to join, probably spent 5 hours looking for corps to join, and not one would accept me becuase I didn't have 30 days playing time in yet.

Stop assuming I am some WoW player or some crap and that I am too dumb to figure out anything for myself. I am a professional in real life and I have work that is very complicated, work that forces me to literally spend days on problems for which there is very little assistance. However, that is work that I am being paid to perform. On the other hand when i am paying for a game, I expect to have more content that I can actually enjoy. Not waiting for days just for things to skill up so that I can actually get involved in the game.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2013-03-30 22:01:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
Leia Kommana wrote:
On the other hand when i am paying for a game, I expect to have more content that I can actually enjoy. Not waiting for days just for things to skill up so that I can actually get involved in the game.
You're expecting wrong.
Well ... not 100% ... but it's - i admit that - hard to find people actually worth playing with,
who don't waste their time with grinding or mining.

You *do* have points, but this game simply doesn't work the way you want it to work
and i doubt you've realized all the possibilities you can have within the first few days already.

Some which also make you money, some which are just fun ... some both.

Being a tackler for a fleet.
Ninja salvaging.
Stealing loot of wrecks you see explode.
Being scanner/looter in a ganking roam.
Canflipping other noobs. (well, pre-crimewatch 2.0, tbh)
Scamming people.
Trading, even on a small scale.
Hauling stuff.
Simply exploring the universe through travel.

And whatever i can't think of now. The only thing i see in your posts, though,
is that you're restricting to PvE or PvP, in the simplest forms.

That's not what this game is about ... not in the long run.

Asking CCP for content ... in this game ... simply *is* nonsense.
The content comes from the players, not CCP.

You can't get involved *in the game*, you can only get involved *with the people*.
Nitrogen Isotopes
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-03-30 22:13:18 UTC
What I like about Eve is when people who act like they know everything criticize a new player for acting like he knows everything.
Kaanchana
Tax-haven
#29 - 2013-03-30 22:16:41 UTC
Leia Kommana wrote:
Kaanchana wrote:
See, thats called doing your homework. You expect the game to feed you everything so u dont have to make an effort.

All that i mentioned doesnt need more than a day's worth of skills to get started. I seriously cant understand what is that you want to train before u start trading? or missioning? You cant bypass lvl1 no matter how big a vet u are.

Join RVB. thats a pvp corp, which accepts all players only to fight. Did u even try searching the forums or asking for help? You just applied to random corps and decided eve is like that. Don't u think thats ********?

How the hell do u expect to do everything in eve on day 1? Tell me one single game which lets you do all in day 1?


You people don't listen. I don't expect to do it all in a day, but I do expect to be able to do more after a week of playing then just more level 1 missions.

And yes, I searched the forums, I spent literally probably 15 hours reading about the game, and which direction to plan to go, so that I trained the right skills.

I asked for help. I looked for cops to join, probably spent 5 hours looking for corps to join, and not one would accept me becuase I didn't have 30 days playing time in yet.

Stop assuming I am some WoW player or some crap and that I am too dumb to figure out anything for myself. I am a professional in real life and I have work that is very complicated, work that forces me to literally spend days on problems for which there is very little assistance. However, that is work that I am being paid to perform. On the other hand when i am paying for a game, I expect to have more content that I can actually enjoy. Not waiting for days just for things to skill up so that I can actually get involved in the game.


ok, since you say you are *not* dumb, which i frankly doubt, i'l put it in a more easier way.

1. Trading, you can start in literally 2 hrs of entering eve. For industrial lvl4, u need one more day. It won't be profitable yes, but since u are noob there is nothing to lose.

2. Missions, start with lvl1. do it for a faction navy. Takes 2 days to move to lvl 2. So it takes around 2 days to get into cruisers and its weapons. After that, it takes around a week for lvl3 by which time you can fly a bc. and then few more weeks for lvl4. Now the time i am giving is not the training, its the time to get standings for the next lvl.

I hope you are not gonna complain that ccp should let you do lvl4 on day one?

So by the time you reach lvl 4 you can easily fly a t2 fit raven with cruise missiles. Works like a charm. i dont know why you are crying here. let me say it again, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SKILL UP TO TE REQUIRED SHIP BY THE TIME YOU GET ACCESS TO THOSE AGENTS.

clear?
Calisto Thellere
#30 - 2013-03-30 22:18:52 UTC
You sound pretty entitled to me.

I do understand your frustration regarding the skills issue, but thats what makes this game what it is, patience is a virtue and it rewards those that have it.
You dont seem to have much from what i can tell.

Your not the first new player to find himself asking 'what next', wont be the last either. But those that do need to ask generally dont last long, those that just get out there and do something, tend to find what they're looking for.

Also, LOL at pvp not taking any skill.
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2013-03-30 22:19:56 UTC
Leia Kommana wrote:

Lol I knew I would get flamed, and go ahead flame me, I am simply giving my perspective, because I want the devs to know, if you want people to join the game, and stay in the game, you need to add a bit more content to the begining, e.g. things that you can actually do without need 10 million skill points.


10 million?

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA three years later I'm still not good enough.

Dodixie > Hek
Praetor Meles
Black Mount Industrial
Breakpoint.
#32 - 2013-03-30 22:25:48 UTC
Leia Kommana wrote:
I have been trying out Eve the last week or so.


A few things...

(1) The last week or so is nowhere near enough time for anything - I actually researched Eve for months before taking the plunge. And have since spent a long time both winning and losing at the very many extremely subtle facets of it...and finding it all brilliant in their own ways.
(2) Whining in your first month = fail. Whining ever, in point of fact = no great loss to Eve when you ragequit. Just make sure your tears don't make you miss the biomass button.
(3) Actually, you got the first thing right. Your portrait. Excellent melons, perfectly thrust out. There may be hope yet.

[insert random rubbish that irritates you personally] is further evidence that Eve is dying/thriving*

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Leia Kommana
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-03-30 22:30:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Leia Kommana
I appreciate many of the points that some of you made without criticizing me personally, and hopefully I will find there is more to the game than I realize, that I could be doing doing at this point. At this point, i doubt it, honestly I feel that the developers are just taking advantage of the whole carrot on a stick system to ensure people keep paying, but anyway thanks for your replies.

And to those that just want to chime in to personally criticize me, save your breath, your another reason for leaving. Somehow the internet never fails to bring out the worst in some people. If you disagree with my points, then good, we can have a valid discussion.
Beckie DeLey
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2013-03-30 22:34:05 UTC
Nitrogen Isotopes wrote:
What I like about Eve is when people who act like they know everything criticize a new player for acting like he knows everything.


It's a time-honored tradition!

My siren's name is Brick and she is the prettiest.
celebro
Ember Inc.
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#35 - 2013-03-30 22:44:39 UTC
Don't start by judging the book by its cover , all the game content you're getting right now, is just the cover, the pages inside are written by players, your writing can appear on those pages , you'll need to earn it though.


PVE covers the basics, trading manufacturing or combat PVP whilst interacting with other players , is where EvE shines. It takes real life skill, good decision making, motivation and persistence. I understand game can be slow at times , specially when you are stuck. It's been built this way for a reason.
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#36 - 2013-03-30 22:46:28 UTC
Look at those faaaaahkin pair of **** Shocked
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2013-03-30 22:46:43 UTC
Leia Kommana wrote:
I have been trying out Eve the last week or so. I actually ended up buying 2 accounts after seeing how long it takes to train any skills, becuase I wanted to get into trading, but also Pvp, and I can see it would take too damn long to train in both. (at least for me, I am a bit impatient).

Anyway after playing about a week, i am losing interest fast. I am just really bored with the combat mechanics. I mean for god's sake why don't they let you actually pilot your craft?

To be honest while playing it, all I could think was "wow x3 looked so much better, and I really miss being able to pilot my craft, and have real comat where skills actually matter, not just , here click this target, and now wait for my gun to kill it" lol.

Anyway I don't feel like I wasted any money, becuase at least i got to see the game, and I will be honest, the huge vast universe and the amount of different directions you can go is a huge turnon, however, the fact that it takes so freaking long to train your skills enough to try out even 1/10th of the content is a huge turnoff. It wouldnt be so bad if you could just go out and have fun doing combat and whatnot, but really you can't have fun with that, so where is the fun? Sit around and wait for my skills to go up?

Maybe it wouldn't be so bad if my corporations were willing to accept newer players, but almost all say , ok must have xxxxx number of SP, and whatnot to join.

I also think its funny when you hear people talking about combat and killing ships as if it took some sort of skills. The only skill it takes is having a good layout on your ship, and once you actually get into combat its more like a chessgame than a space combat sim.

Meh, I don't know unless I find something more interesting in the next few days I probably won't be logging in again.


I suggest you look at the combat mechanics a little harder than you already have. They look simple at first but when you delve into it they become fairly complex. You can manually pilot your ship by clicking in space. Skills matter at all levels of play it depends on what kind of combat you are getting into though. Guile is just as much a skill as being able to kite someone in a vagabond.

The skill grind, yep that I can agree on they should reduce some ranks of key skills to make it better for newbies. You can manage it though, get a tool like EFT, figure out what you want to do and make the quickest plan to get yourself into that. The corporations thing, much like finding a good job you'll have to do some research and sort through the terrible corporations to find one you like. You could even found your own but that is much like owning a business, a lot of work.

The bottom line is this game will not spoon feed you much of anything and you are expected to do the research to figure out how to do what you want to do. People like me are happy to answer questions and give advice so you can build yourself up to whatever you want to do.

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Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2013-03-30 23:03:27 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Leia Kommana wrote:




I am saying this to the Devs, either add more content for those starting out the game, or make skills go up faster, I know you would never do that becuase you want people to play for years, but it's a big hurdle for people like me that joined the game and want to be able to enjoy it from the beginning.


The other week I had a 30 min old newbee shadowing my megathron as a personal tackle frig. There is limitless content here but you have to go get it because it wont be given to you like inevery other MMO.


If this isn't boner inspiring you're probably not going to enjoy Eve.

Hello, hello again.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#39 - 2013-03-30 23:12:10 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Leia Kommana wrote:
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The idea behind it is play the game whilst you leave it skill up, no skill grinding.


Again what do I do?
I can't do any higher missions, due to the reasons that I have given. I can't go exploring for the same reasons I gave. So I guess I am just supposed to wait 4 or 5 days till I can get better stuff to do that?

Doesn't that bother anyone here?

Really the only thing I can do at this point is go run a bunch of level 1 missions, which I have already done at least 30 times, for a pittance, and getting the same missions repeating over and over again.

I know there is trading, there is mining, there are a lot of things, as others have mentioned, and I am sure I could enjoy a lot of those things in another month or so after I have the skills to do them. But in the meantime theres basically nothing to do.

I am saying this to the Devs, either add more content for those starting out the game, or make skills go up faster, I know you would never do that becuase you want people to play for years, but it's a big hurdle for people like me that joined the game and want to be able to enjoy it from the beginning.


1. everyone went from lvl1 to 4. no u cant jump to lvl4 directly even if you had skilled up for 2 years.

2. Trading needs a day of skilling to get started. U need more to be successful yes, but u have to start to get there.

3. Mining takes 2 hrs to get started.

4. pvp takes about a week, train a frig lvl4, gunnery, get into RvB.

Wtf are u whining about? you want to do lvl4 and fly supers as soon as u get into game? No, we are all sorry that your whiny ass cant do that but there are players working for it for far longer than u do. If u want lvl4, work from lvl1.

Not willing to see the path doesnt mean it doesnt exist.


The thing is that you cant do all of them, as you know it takes a long time to train up the skills.

Pvp how? I applied to different corps, all want someone with 5 million SP at a minimum. So I am to head into lowsec by myself in my level 1 frigate with guns, and how do you think thats gonna turn out?


Okay... I see where the problem is.

Listen closely OP; you don't need maximum skills to do anything.

All you need are the most basic skills to get started in any activity. Sure... you won't be "efficient" doing it... but you are still making headway and learning the game mechanics while you are at it.

PvP? Know what you can and cannot do. Your limited skills may not allow you to solo or deal damage very well... but you can use the inherent power in your "low level ships" to assist more experienced players in larger, more skill intensive ships.

Not able to get into a corp due to skill requirements? Ignore them and ask one of the diplomats or recruiters anyways. That skill point requirement is there to preemptively screen out the general rabble.

EVE is more of a game of patience, planning, cerebral prowess, and social adaptability than anything else. If you master these things then you will go far (especially that last part, being social.... That helps more than anything else).

And stop yer bellyachin about 5 day long skills. I'm training my third battleship skill to level 5. That's 30 days of waiting right there.Blink

How did you Veterans start?
hellcane
Never Back Down
#40 - 2013-03-30 23:18:39 UTC  |  Edited by: hellcane
Leia Kommana wrote:
I have been trying out Eve the last week or so. I actually ended up buying 2 accounts after seeing how long it takes to train any skills, becuase I wanted to get into trading, but also Pvp, and I can see it would take too damn long to train in both. (at least for me, I am a bit impatient).

If you are impatient and want a game that rewards you for spending all day in the game, there are a lot of experience/level based games out there.

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Anyway after playing about a week, i am losing interest fast. I am just really bored with the combat mechanics. I mean for god's sake why don't they let you actually pilot your craft?

To be honest while playing it, all I could think was "wow x3 looked so much better, and I really miss being able to pilot my craft, and have real comat where skills actually matter, not just , here click this target, and now wait for my gun to kill it" lol.

PVE without goals is boring, I agree. Plus, this is not a twitch based game, look into FPS.


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Anyway I don't feel like I wasted any money, becuase at least i got to see the game, and I will be honest, the huge vast universe and the amount of different directions you can go is a huge turnon, however, the fact that it takes so freaking long to train your skills enough to try out even 1/10th of the content is a huge turnoff. It wouldnt be so bad if you could just go out and have fun doing combat and whatnot, but really you can't have fun with that, so where is the fun? Sit around and wait for my skills to go up?

A week is not a long time. If you cannot have fun with combat, don't like pve, and cannot understand trading....then there are other games. Skills have little effect on enjoyment unless you are wanting to be a solo pwnmobile within a few weeks of creating your character.

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Maybe it wouldn't be so bad if my corporations were willing to accept newer players, but almost all say , ok must have xxxxx number of SP, and whatnot to join.

Don't apply to the Corps that say they require xxxxxx SP to join. Do some research and apply for the corps that take anyone and are doing things you want to do as well.

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I also think its funny when you hear people talking about combat and killing ships as if it took some sort of skills. The only skill it takes is having a good layout on your ship, and once you actually get into combat its more like a chessgame than a space combat sim.

Meh, I don't know unless I find something more interesting in the next few days I probably won't be logging in again.

The skill comes in setting up your ship, choosing engagements, choosing locations, etc. You seem to want to be playing a game that rewards twitch "skill", and you might want to look into a good FPS like i mentioned above.

Honestly, you won't find anything in the next few days. Based on your comments, this game is not for you. Many others won't appeal to you either because you won't be able to do everything within the first week at top notch efficiency.