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Dev Blog: The Battle for Caldari Prime

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Arthay
#101 - 2013-03-21 17:44:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthay
So this mean if the titan goes down, we will lose our home planet again and this time to some 'rebels' ?
What will happen if one off the other 2 empires shows up and winns the battle, will the luminaire sov then go over to them?

Edit: Is there still time to evacuate our civlians?
last time we could get some out (Day of Darkness II)

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Vikarion
Doomheim
#102 - 2013-03-21 18:08:44 UTC
Arthay wrote:
So this mean if the titan goes down, we will lose our home planet again and this time to some 'rebels' ?
What will happen if one off the other 2 empires shows up and winns the battle, will the luminaire sov then go over to them?

Edit: Is there still time to evacuate our civlians?
last time we could get some out (Day of Darkness II)


Luminaire Sove isn't going anything but Gallente. This "battle" is over Caldari Prime, the planet. If someone else were to "win", then things would stay as they are now, until CCP has players take another go at it. Eventually, someone will take it down.

But no one but the Gallente will win, because almost no one who has been working for the other sides can be in Luminaire without getting insta-popped by faction navy and police spawns.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#103 - 2013-03-21 18:25:56 UTC
I wouldn't be surprised if Amarr & Minitmar Navies get sucked in to this free for all in Luminare
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#104 - 2013-03-21 18:26:57 UTC
CCP Goliath wrote:



Goliath you got your DEV tag back Big smile
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
CCP Goliath
C C P
C C P Alliance
#105 - 2013-03-21 18:52:21 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
CCP Goliath wrote:



Goliath you got your DEV tag back Big smile


\o/

CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath
Eunice Huang
Doomheim
#106 - 2013-03-21 18:56:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Eunice Huang
I'm a bit confused what this event is all about. Will the Leviathan be gone after tomorrow's event? Is this my last chance to see an actual titan idly floating around in high security space? If so, I'll make sure to travel to Luminaire in a few minutes. Being a new player to EVE I don't think I'll be seeing a capital ship in first person any time soon.

Edit: Oooooh. Looked it up ingame, tooltip says it's 18 km in length. That's huuuuuugh.




I'm going to go sightseeing. Cool
mkint
#107 - 2013-03-21 19:11:00 UTC
CCP Goliath wrote:
Quick question for those dissatisfied with Gallente NPC aggression in Luminaire.

When you took the decision to join FW and war with the Gallente, you understood at the time that it would cause faction standing loss, and that it would cause NPCs to aggro you if you entered a system hostile to you. Given that EVE is a game known for having consequences matter, what makes this different from any other reason you might have to want to enter space owned by those that are hostile to you? There's no "you can't enter" sign on the gate; it's just more difficult for you to be in that system, which seems perfectly natural to me as you chose to be at war with the faction that controls it.

the epic showdown between caldari and gallente and caldari aren't allowed to show up? you're right, I can't see why anybody would have a problem with that. especially not when the whole point is to convince the world that dust isn't pointless at some big video game convention. dust players are not real eve players. all they've done is lower the average iq in eve.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#108 - 2013-03-21 19:29:52 UTC
The real question is this:

Is this live event something that players can influence the outcome of? If so, by omitting the majority of those people who've been fighting for FW this is pretty ******.

However, if this live event has a pre-determined outcome, just let us know that is the case and we can happily just watch the show.
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#109 - 2013-03-21 19:35:41 UTC
CCP Goliath wrote:
Quick question for those dissatisfied with Gallente NPC aggression in Luminaire.

When you took the decision to join FW and war with the Gallente, you understood at the time that it would cause faction standing loss, and that it would cause NPCs to aggro you if you entered a system hostile to you. Given that EVE is a game known for having consequences matter, what makes this different from any other reason you might have to want to enter space owned by those that are hostile to you? There's no "you can't enter" sign on the gate; it's just more difficult for you to be in that system, which seems perfectly natural to me as you chose to be at war with the faction that controls it.


CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#110 - 2013-03-21 19:36:01 UTC
Sincerely hope that the event is reinforced to the max, and then some.

Not going to be much fun if nodes keep crashing and the TiDi is glacial.

"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.   ( Pick four, any four. They all smell.  )
CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#111 - 2013-03-21 19:36:41 UTC
chatgris wrote:
The real question is this:

Is this live event something that players can influence the outcome of? If so, by omitting the majority of those people who've been fighting for FW this is pretty ******.

However, if this live event has a pre-determined outcome, just let us know that is the case and we can happily just watch the show.


Events where players can completely rewrite the outcome from the ground up are something I would love to see happen someday and I think a lot of people here share that dream. However we are still building up our capabilities in this area and that's not something we're ready to pull off yet.

Game Designer | Team Five-0

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Vikarion
Doomheim
#112 - 2013-03-21 19:45:24 UTC
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
CCP Goliath wrote:
Quick question for those dissatisfied with Gallente NPC aggression in Luminaire.

When you took the decision to join FW and war with the Gallente, you understood at the time that it would cause faction standing loss, and that it would cause NPCs to aggro you if you entered a system hostile to you. Given that EVE is a game known for having consequences matter, what makes this different from any other reason you might have to want to enter space owned by those that are hostile to you? There's no "you can't enter" sign on the gate; it's just more difficult for you to be in that system, which seems perfectly natural to me as you chose to be at war with the faction that controls it.




IOW, "we told you that you needed to support your faction in FW. We promised real consequences for factions when they won or lost. Now you silly Caldari have gone and done as we suggested, so we get to screw you over!"
CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
#113 - 2013-03-21 19:47:29 UTC
Eunice Huang wrote:
I'm a bit confused what this event is all about. Will the Leviathan be gone after tomorrow's event? Is this my last chance to see an actual titan idly floating around in high security space? If so, I'll make sure to travel to Luminaire in a few minutes. Being a new player to EVE I don't think I'll be seeing a capital ship in first person any time soon.

Edit: Oooooh. Looked it up ingame, tooltip says it's 18 km in length. That's huuuuuugh.

I'm going to go sightseeing. Cool
Luminaire is most certainly a good sight-seeing destination, more so now than ever. You should also visit the Ishukone station in Malkalen and the CONCORD station in Yulai.

Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
Isbariya
State War Academy
Caldari State
#114 - 2013-03-21 19:51:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Isbariya
CCP Fozzie wrote:
chatgris wrote:
The real question is this:

Is this live event something that players can influence the outcome of? If so, by omitting the majority of those people who've been fighting for FW this is pretty ******.

However, if this live event has a pre-determined outcome, just let us know that is the case and we can happily just watch the show.


Events where players can completely rewrite the outcome from the ground up are something I would love to see happen someday and I think a lot of people here share that dream. However we are still building up our capabilities in this area and that's not something we're ready to pull off yet.



Just because of that comment players should screw your plans and those Galentean bastards as well and rep the titan like there is no tomorrow ...

You should at least give the Caldari a fighting chance to influenxe the outcome, otherwiese you may as well just hit the self destruct on that thing and say some rtard had his glory moment ....

If by some chance someone has a Carrier in that system from times long gone, i'll pay 50b if you show up in a triage fit and rep that titan Cool
Vikarion
Doomheim
#115 - 2013-03-21 19:58:46 UTC
Isbariya wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
chatgris wrote:
The real question is this:

Is this live event something that players can influence the outcome of? If so, by omitting the majority of those people who've been fighting for FW this is pretty ******.

However, if this live event has a pre-determined outcome, just let us know that is the case and we can happily just watch the show.


Events where players can completely rewrite the outcome from the ground up are something I would love to see happen someday and I think a lot of people here share that dream. However we are still building up our capabilities in this area and that's not something we're ready to pull off yet.



Just because of that comment players should screw your plans and those Galentean bastards as well and rep the titan like there is no tomorrow ...

You should at least give the Caldari a fighting chance to influenxe the outcome, otherwiese you may as well just hit the self destruct on that thing and say some rtard had his glory moment ....

If by some chance someone has a Carrier in that system from times long gone, i'll pay 50b if you show up in a triage fit and rep that titan Cool


If someone does, they had better not do that, because CCP will just move their carrier to lowsec, and it will lose all it's value.

I get that you're annoyed, I am too, but this is predetermined by CCP, and we're gonna get steamrolled no matter what. No reason to lose more than that. Smart Caldari and Amarr loyalists won't be anywhere near Caldari Prime tomorrow, because this event, for us, is basically an invitation from CCP to come get blown up so they can get their rocks off. Best policy is to blueball them.
Name Lips
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#116 - 2013-03-21 20:09:59 UTC
I'm still not exactly clear what the arrival of the mercs really means for me as a capsuleer.

Can I sell them stuff?
Octoven
Stellar Production
#117 - 2013-03-21 20:23:33 UTC
Shahai Shintaro wrote:
CCP Goliath wrote:
Quick question for those dissatisfied with Gallente NPC aggression in Luminaire.

When you took the decision to join FW and war with the Gallente, you understood at the time that it would cause faction standing loss, and that it would cause NPCs to aggro you if you entered a system hostile to you. Given that EVE is a game known for having consequences matter, what makes this different from any other reason you might have to want to enter space owned by those that are hostile to you? There's no "you can't enter" sign on the gate; it's just more difficult for you to be in that system, which seems perfectly natural to me as you chose to be at war with the faction that controls it.



When I took the decision to join faction war it was to fight for the glory of the state. I was fine with the consequences of being hatred by the frogs. However, there was no consequence stated that you would be ineligible to fight for what it's probably the biggest fight for the state. Unless something is changed you are excluding those who arguably have the biggest interest in this fight. You may not have signs that state you cannot enter, but you do have a sign that says do not stay. Those in Caldari FW, cannot realistically stay to participate without being destroyed by the NPCs. If you truly want players to decide this event, then faction navies must be disabled.


I agree on this matter, Gallente Militia shouldnt need worry about caldari NPC forces and same with Caldari Militia with Gallente NPC forces. Let them fight each other while dusties fight on the ground. This is not a NPC game, it is a player empowered game. If CCP is unwilling or unable to disable NPCs...fine but it will be certainly the equivalent of saying **** off players. I mean from my understanding they are wanting to enhance and build FW and even though this event is geared toward a focus for the Dust EVE link, they are essentially giving players a reason to leave FW. If anything FW players should be there more so then out of FW players. I mean this is after all a war between the two factions.
Octoven
Stellar Production
#118 - 2013-03-21 20:25:21 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
chatgris wrote:
The real question is this:

Is this live event something that players can influence the outcome of? If so, by omitting the majority of those people who've been fighting for FW this is pretty ******.

However, if this live event has a pre-determined outcome, just let us know that is the case and we can happily just watch the show.


Events where players can completely rewrite the outcome from the ground up are something I would love to see happen someday and I think a lot of people here share that dream. However we are still building up our capabilities in this area and that's not something we're ready to pull off yet.


So you have already asserted the outcome and who will win...remind me again why players should feel the need to participate and side with a losing side?
Laerise
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#119 - 2013-03-21 20:26:35 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
chatgris wrote:
The real question is this:

Is this live event something that players can influence the outcome of? If so, by omitting the majority of those people who've been fighting for FW this is pretty ******.

However, if this live event has a pre-determined outcome, just let us know that is the case and we can happily just watch the show.


Events where players can completely rewrite the outcome from the ground up are something I would love to see happen someday and I think a lot of people here share that dream. However we are still building up our capabilities in this area and that's not something we're ready to pull off yet.



So what you're saying is that the gal/min get yet another highly publicised "victory" handed to them because CCP Falcon says so?

LOL

GG CCP, although winning your own game with devtools must get kind of boring after a while, huh?
Laerise
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#120 - 2013-03-21 20:27:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Laerise
CCP Explorer wrote:
Eunice Huang wrote:
I'm a bit confused what this event is all about. Will the Leviathan be gone after tomorrow's event? Is this my last chance to see an actual titan idly floating around in high security space? If so, I'll make sure to travel to Luminaire in a few minutes. Being a new player to EVE I don't think I'll be seeing a capital ship in first person any time soon.

Edit: Oooooh. Looked it up ingame, tooltip says it's 18 km in length. That's huuuuuugh.

I'm going to go sightseeing. Cool
Luminaire is most certainly a good sight-seeing destination, more so now than ever. You should also visit the Ishukone station in Malkalen and the CONCORD station in Yulai.



Or to condense this answer a bit more:

Go visit the places where the gal/min got to break the ingame rules and subsequently "won", yeah... great story mate, but I think I'd rather watch paint dry, it's much more statisfying.


To sum it up:


Yulai: A "mysterious minmatar fleet" blows up CONCORD headquarter. (Negative consequences for the minmatar? ZERO)

Ishkuone station in Malkalen: A "mysterious gallente rogue Nyx" blows up a caldari megacorp headquarters. (Negative consequences for the gallente by tomorrow? ZERO)

Luminaire: The gallente navy gets to blow up a caldari navy titan - which does not do the obvious thing ( HINT FOR CCP FALCON: It warps to the galente home world and unleashes it's DD into the atmosphere to toast all the frogs). (Negative consequences for the gallente? Let's take an educated guess here: ZERO)


Edit: Regarding the Yulai debacle, lets not forget that said "mysterious deus ex fleet" also ravages the amarr empire, rapes and pillages unhindered and then escapes with some minor losses back home.

The amarr empire, who has the largest fleet and standing ground forces obviously DOES NOT pursue the minis home to burn Pator and Rens to cinders. Oh no, they turn around at the border. LOL