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Dev Blog: The Battle for Caldari Prime

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Hauk Kouvo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#81 - 2013-03-21 15:27:35 UTC
So if I have a toon that is gal but fly cal ships, have higher cal standings and favour a cal corp, am I considered a gallente or Caldari ?
Aelisha
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#82 - 2013-03-21 15:38:31 UTC
You are quite correctly considered a meat popsicle.

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Jordan Kincade
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#83 - 2013-03-21 15:39:37 UTC
Hauk Kouvo wrote:
So if I have a toon that is gal but fly cal ships, have higher cal standings and favour a cal corp, am I considered a gallente or Caldari ?

Yes Twisted
CCP Goliath
C C P
C C P Alliance
#84 - 2013-03-21 15:42:39 UTC
Quick question for those dissatisfied with Gallente NPC aggression in Luminaire.

When you took the decision to join FW and war with the Gallente, you understood at the time that it would cause faction standing loss, and that it would cause NPCs to aggro you if you entered a system hostile to you. Given that EVE is a game known for having consequences matter, what makes this different from any other reason you might have to want to enter space owned by those that are hostile to you? There's no "you can't enter" sign on the gate; it's just more difficult for you to be in that system, which seems perfectly natural to me as you chose to be at war with the faction that controls it.

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#85 - 2013-03-21 15:57:43 UTC
Hauk Kouvo wrote:
So if I have a toon that is gal but fly cal ships, have higher cal standings and favour a cal corp, am I considered a gallente or Caldari ?

You get to choose your side.

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#86 - 2013-03-21 16:05:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Athena
CCP Goliath wrote:
Quick question for those dissatisfied with Gallente NPC aggression in Luminaire.

When you took the decision to join FW and war with the Gallente, you understood at the time that it would cause faction standing loss, and that it would cause NPCs to aggro you if you entered a system hostile to you. Given that EVE is a game known for having consequences matter, what makes this different from any other reason you might have to want to enter space owned by those that are hostile to you? There's no "you can't enter" sign on the gate; it's just more difficult for you to be in that system, which seems perfectly natural to me as you chose to be at war with the faction that controls it.

All good points. But:

The space near Caldari Prime is not Gallente space, its Caldari space. So a Caldari loyalist would expect CCP to set the rules so he would be safe there. But you did not. There is no

If (distance to Luminare VII < Caldari_influence ) then Activate _NPC_navy = FALSE

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Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#87 - 2013-03-21 16:24:03 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
CCP Goliath wrote:
Quick question for those dissatisfied with Gallente NPC aggression in Luminaire.

When you took the decision to join FW and war with the Gallente, you understood at the time that it would cause faction standing loss, and that it would cause NPCs to aggro you if you entered a system hostile to you. Given that EVE is a game known for having consequences matter, what makes this different from any other reason you might have to want to enter space owned by those that are hostile to you? There's no "you can't enter" sign on the gate; it's just more difficult for you to be in that system, which seems perfectly natural to me as you chose to be at war with the faction that controls it.

All good points. But:

The space near Caldari Prime is not Gallente space, its Caldari space. So a Caldari loyalist would expect CCP to set the rules so he would be safe there. But you did not. There is no

If (distance to Luminare VII < Caldari_influence ) then Activate _NPC_navy = FALSE


Pretty sure once this event starts, the Gallente won't care where the Caldari are in Luminaire, they'll want them out.

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Katrina Bekers
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#88 - 2013-03-21 16:28:03 UTC
Q: is this event reserved to Dust players in specific corps? Only player corps? NPC corps? FW corps? Everyone without regard to affiliation? TIA.

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Turelus
Utassi Security
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#89 - 2013-03-21 16:31:54 UTC
Katrina Bekers wrote:
Q: is this event reserved to Dust players in specific corps? Only player corps? NPC corps? FW corps? Everyone without regard to affiliation? TIA.

Open to everyone, any CCP Actors ships that they want to be shootable normally become suspects.
You need not be on a side but it's more fun if you choose one and the battle has meaning for you (other than KM *****ing)

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Vikarion
Doomheim
#90 - 2013-03-21 16:41:53 UTC
CCP Goliath wrote:
Quick question for those dissatisfied with Gallente NPC aggression in Luminaire.

When you took the decision to join FW and war with the Gallente, you understood at the time that it would cause faction standing loss, and that it would cause NPCs to aggro you if you entered a system hostile to you. Given that EVE is a game known for having consequences matter, what makes this different from any other reason you might have to want to enter space owned by those that are hostile to you? There's no "you can't enter" sign on the gate; it's just more difficult for you to be in that system, which seems perfectly natural to me as you chose to be at war with the faction that controls it.


No, there are only consequences for Caldari players. As usual, CCP runs things for the benefit of Minmatar and Gallente players, and arranges things to where no one will want to join any but those factions.

Caldari and Amarr players would be better off if the CCP storyline department was fired and permanently closed. It's just a collection of Gallente/Minmatar/Guristas fanbois now.
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#91 - 2013-03-21 16:47:19 UTC
All I can hope for is that this is a Live Event that is more of a show, something to watch, rather than actively decide the outcome on. Because it would be a real kick in the nuts to those who've fought in FW for 5 years to really have no part in what occurs (due to sec status and standings). It also wouldn't be fair if one TZ basically came along and decided it.

So here's me hoping that this is actually more of a movie we get to watch than something capsuleers decide.
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#92 - 2013-03-21 16:48:17 UTC  |  Edited by: chatgris
Vikarion wrote:
CCP Goliath wrote:
Quick question for those dissatisfied with Gallente NPC aggression in Luminaire.

When you took the decision to join FW and war with the Gallente, you understood at the time that it would cause faction standing loss, and that it would cause NPCs to aggro you if you entered a system hostile to you. Given that EVE is a game known for having consequences matter, what makes this different from any other reason you might have to want to enter space owned by those that are hostile to you? There's no "you can't enter" sign on the gate; it's just more difficult for you to be in that system, which seems perfectly natural to me as you chose to be at war with the faction that controls it.


No, there are only consequences for Caldari players. As usual, CCP runs things for the benefit of Minmatar and Gallente players, and arranges things to where no one will want to join any but those factions.

Caldari and Amarr players would be better off if the CCP storyline department was fired and permanently closed. It's just a collection of Gallente/Minmatar/Guristas fanbois now.


Look at the hard hitting corps on the Gallente side - we're pretty much barred due to sec status.

Look at a few top killing Gallente corps from here:

http://evewho.com/faction/

http://evewho.com/corp/Quantum+Cats+Syndicate <- -4.5 avg
http://evewho.com/corp/Spiritus+Draconis <- -5.0 avg

even xmeta is -1.2, and that's an average, so you could easily expect half their members not to be able to enter either.

Plus, on the whole Ev0ke since they just came from nullsec have a positive sec http://evewho.com/alli/Ev0ke

So really, if you look at timezone dominance and sec status, the Caldari have a much easier time coming to this event (Last I heard there was a 10 spawn cap right? If I'm wrong, excuse my ignorance I don't go into high sec).
Vikarion
Doomheim
#93 - 2013-03-21 17:00:06 UTC
chatgris wrote:
So really, if you look at timezone dominance and sec status, the Caldari have a much easier time coming to this event (Last I heard there was a 10 spawn cap right? If I'm wrong, excuse my ignorance I don't go into high sec).


I'm fairly sure that that's been patched, based on reports I've heard. And this is going down mainly in OZ TZ, IIRC, so fewer people from either side can make it. Anyway, it's not like most Caldari have super great sec status either, so I don't know why you bring that up. OTOH, if you really want to be there as Gallente, you could rat it up fairly quickly. I've done it before. Can't do that with negative faction standings like the Caldari have.

It doesn't matter anyway, because almost no one is going to show up to prevent something big from blowing up. You'll have people coming from null-sec to kill a Titan.
Shahai Shintaro
State War Academy
Caldari State
#94 - 2013-03-21 17:06:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Shahai Shintaro
CCP Goliath wrote:
Quick question for those dissatisfied with Gallente NPC aggression in Luminaire.

When you took the decision to join FW and war with the Gallente, you understood at the time that it would cause faction standing loss, and that it would cause NPCs to aggro you if you entered a system hostile to you. Given that EVE is a game known for having consequences matter, what makes this different from any other reason you might have to want to enter space owned by those that are hostile to you? There's no "you can't enter" sign on the gate; it's just more difficult for you to be in that system, which seems perfectly natural to me as you chose to be at war with the faction that controls it.



When I took the decision to join faction war it was to fight for the glory of the state. I was fine with the consequences of being hatred by the frogs. However, there was no consequence stated that you would be ineligible to fight for what it's probably the biggest fight for the state. Unless something is changed you are excluding those who arguably have the biggest interest in this fight. You may not have signs that state you cannot enter, but you do have a sign that says do not stay. Those in Caldari FW, cannot realistically stay to participate without being destroyed by the NPCs. If you truly want players to decide this event, then faction navies must be disabled.
roy oakes
boom boom long time
#95 - 2013-03-21 17:24:55 UTC
CCP Goliath wrote:
Bl4ck Ph03n1x wrote:
Should we prepare to join FW to participate to the event?


Not at all, there is no FW requirement to the event.




so we in non fw corps can still come and shoot stuff?

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CCP Maiden Steel
C C P
C C P Alliance
#96 - 2013-03-21 17:34:45 UTC
This is going to be epic, I can't wait!

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Vikarion
Doomheim
#97 - 2013-03-21 17:36:40 UTC
roy oakes wrote:
CCP Goliath wrote:
Bl4ck Ph03n1x wrote:
Should we prepare to join FW to participate to the event?


Not at all, there is no FW requirement to the event.




so we in non fw corps can still come and shoot stuff?


In general, you only can't come if you are a Caldari loyalist with usually associated low Gallente standings. If you have low sec status, you can probably rat it up if you start now.
Vikarion
Doomheim
#98 - 2013-03-21 17:38:47 UTC
Shahai Shintaro wrote:

When I took the decision to join faction war it was to fight for the glory of the state. I was fine with the consequences of being hatred by the frogs. However, there was no consequence stated that you would be ineligible to fight for what it's probably the biggest fight for the state. Unless something is changed you are excluding those who arguably have the biggest interest in this fight. You may not have signs that state you cannot enter, but you do have a sign that says do not stay. Those in Caldari FW, cannot realistically stay to participate without being destroyed by the NPCs. If you truly want players to decide this event, then faction navies must be disabled.


They don't. As has been noted, they've already created the map with the crashed Titan, and they've been planning this for months. To believe that CCP has any intention of anyone but the Gallente and Minmatar winning is giving them far too much credit, especially in view of past actions. The Caldari and Amarr factions exist to be the punching bags of the developer's mary sue factions.
Intex Encapor
#99 - 2013-03-21 17:41:47 UTC
well verone doing an event that has a positive outcome for caldari would be kinda weird.
Vikarion
Doomheim
#100 - 2013-03-21 17:44:43 UTC
Intex Encapor wrote:
well verone doing an event that has a positive outcome for caldari would be kinda weird.


Indeed.