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CSM - Do you think? (... continued)

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Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#21 - 2011-09-07 05:05:35 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Think how many newbies would hit a warp bubble, die and quit?

Not everyone goes at the same pace, leave options open.


Pretty much none, if they were introduced to the mechanic properly (i.e. in their first day/week when they have little to lose). The problem is that highsec forms a false illusion of safety in people, who are then very unwilling to move into what they view as more dangerous space.
Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#22 - 2011-09-07 05:13:03 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Think how many newbies would hit a warp bubble, die and quit?

Not everyone goes at the same pace, leave options open.


Pretty much none, if they were introduced to the mechanic properly (i.e. in their first day/week when they have little to lose). The problem is that highsec forms a false illusion of safety in people, who are then very unwilling to move into what they view as more dangerous space.


running ppl on rails into 0.0 isnt what a sandbox is.
You cant create a sandbox game then ***** when theyre not playing it right.
there IS no right if its a true sandbox, which is what everyone calls this. If you start railing everyone alone level paths you lose the sandbox and turn it into something more akin to WoW. Where you can go where you want but if youve outlevelled an area youre not gonna profit by staying in there.

Please dont put WoW in my EVE. I like the flavor of my EVE as is.

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2011-09-07 05:24:37 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Think how many newbies would hit a warp bubble, die and quit?

Not everyone goes at the same pace, leave options open.


Pretty much none, if they were introduced to the mechanic properly (i.e. in their first day/week when they have little to lose). The problem is that highsec forms a false illusion of safety in people, who are then very unwilling to move into what they view as more dangerous space.

agreed

It's a lot more painless to get into nullsec when you have nothing to lose, like when you're a newbie
It's when you have lots of isk but no real 0.0 experience that stuff like this happens.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#24 - 2011-09-07 06:49:34 UTC
Richard Hammond II wrote:


running ppl on rails into 0.0 isnt what a sandbox is.
You cant create a sandbox game then ***** when theyre not playing it right.
there IS no right if its a true sandbox, which is what everyone calls this. If you start railing everyone alone level paths you lose the sandbox and turn it into something more akin to WoW. Where you can go where you want but if youve outlevelled an area youre not gonna profit by staying in there.

Please dont put WoW in my EVE. I like the flavor of my EVE as is.


C'est parfet! Smile

I doubt that I will ever bother with null sec. In another game I play (AO) there is a saying, "Fr00bs play the game. Sl00bs work it." I think that can apply to null sec vs WH / HS.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Jita Alt666
#25 - 2011-09-07 06:49:43 UTC
The OP seems to believe the rights of high sec people are being trodden on by 0.0 alliances. To be blunt you have limited options:

1. Start your own alliance and evict some 0.0 members (can't beat em join em...)
2. Present yourself as a CSM candidate for 2012 and fight for the rights of H.S players in that medium
3. Use the advantages of High Sec to stifle 0.0 economies - Identify who your real trade partners are and only trade with High Sec dwellers.
4. Become a High Sec PVP corp and camp the pipes/gates/hubs frequently used by 0.0 alliances in High Sec.
5. Create threads bemoaning the bias exhibited by CCP toward 0.0 and comfort yourself with the warm arms of Cipher Jones embrace.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#26 - 2011-09-07 06:56:44 UTC
Jita Alt666 wrote:
The OP seems to believe the rights of high sec people are being trodden on by 0.0 alliances. To be blunt you have limited options:

1. Start your own alliance and evict some 0.0 members (can't beat em join em...)
2. Present yourself as a CSM candidate for 2012 and fight for the rights of H.S players in that medium
3. Use the advantages of High Sec to stifle 0.0 economies - Identify who your real trade partners are and only trade with High Sec dwellers.
4. Become a High Sec PVP corp and camp the pipes/gates/hubs frequently used by 0.0 alliances in High Sec.
5. Create threads bemoaning the bias exhibited by CCP toward 0.0 and comfort yourself with the warm arms of Cipher Jones embrace.

I will have some option 2. and option 6.

6. Being that I shall make a HS/WH corp who will go out and kill red pirates where ever we can find them.

In the mean time, I will do some "bemoaning" and call it "campaigning" shall I? Twisted

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Jita Alt666
#27 - 2011-09-07 07:00:01 UTC
You can call pornography art. It doesn't make it any better.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#28 - 2011-09-07 07:02:19 UTC
Jita Alt666 wrote:
You can call pornography art. It doesn't make it any better.


... and yet ... there is a particular site that has daily updates, it is where the two meet and from a matter of option people will say that one is art and one is porn. I find it interesting how much opinions differ on that.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Jita Alt666
#29 - 2011-09-07 07:09:23 UTC
I am willing to bet a significant amount of isk that if you pursue "option 6" you will find yourself holding "option 4" after 6 months.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#30 - 2011-09-07 07:12:30 UTC
Jita Alt666 wrote:
I am willing to bet a significant amount of isk that if you pursue "option 6" you will find yourself holding "option 4" after 6 months.


You are on. Lol

It will be mostly WH for ISK generation with roams into low and null sec depending on exits. So .... not going to be holding gates and going to keep security standing high.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Jita Alt666
#31 - 2011-09-07 07:13:53 UTC
If your intent on holding WH for isk generation why are you so worried about 0.0?
Jenshae Chiroptera
#32 - 2011-09-07 07:20:42 UTC
Jita Alt666 wrote:
If your intent on holding WH for isk generation why are you so worried about 0.0?


I am not. If one corp had not split from a null sec alliance, I would probably be out there next month. However, I don't see why WHs and HS should be nerfed to death to force people out into null sec.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2011-09-07 07:24:00 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Jita Alt666 wrote:
If your intent on holding WH for isk generation why are you so worried about 0.0?


I am not. If one corp had not split from a null sec alliance, I would probably be out there next month. However, I don't see why WHs and HS should be nerfed to death to force people out into null sec.

Once you get out into null, you'll see why rebalancing should be on the table.
FadeIN Fr0St
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2011-09-07 07:32:27 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Digital Messiah wrote:
I doubt CCP soundwave is risking ....

Fair enough and let me be clear. I am not saying that Goons are messing with things and pulling puppet strings. I am suggesting there is a conflict of interest and that the possibility for abuse exists.



If the possobility of abuse did not exist, do u really think someone for a group of ppl like the Goons would bother with the CSM, other then the shiny tag they get?

It is nothing agaist there little pow wow, but think about itP

"All hail Wang ... the little fella in Command. When 'trouble' starts to spread, I'm sure he will rise to the occasion."

Azahni Vah'nos (Best reply ever)
Jita Alt666
#35 - 2011-09-07 07:33:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Jita Alt666
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Jita Alt666 wrote:
If your intent on holding WH for isk generation why are you so worried about 0.0?


I am not. If one corp had not split from a null sec alliance, I would probably be out there next month. However, I don't see why WHs and HS should be nerfed to death to force people out into null sec.



Please list, right here, right now, 10 nerfs that have hit the WH community in the last 6 months. (That being the period of time that the current CSM has been active)
Jenshae Chiroptera
#36 - 2011-09-07 08:29:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Jita Alt666 wrote:

Please list, right here, right now, 10 nerfs that have hit the WH community in the last 6 months. (That being the period of time that the current CSM has been active)

I think I have to stop at this point. Not because you have the win argument but because I am repeating myself many times and you still aren't getting what I am saying. X
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
[quote=Jenshae Chiroptera]
Once you get out into null, you'll see why rebalancing should be on the table.


I have already been out there a few times on solo runs. Bubbles are just hell of annoying (that was one of the times I gave up and just hit one to save myself the trip back)

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#37 - 2011-09-07 08:30:18 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Jita Alt666 wrote:
If your intent on holding WH for isk generation why are you so worried about 0.0?


I am not. If one corp had not split from a null sec alliance, I would probably be out there next month. However, I don't see why WHs and HS should be nerfed to death to force people out into null sec.

Once you get out into null, you'll see why rebalancing should be on the table.


If you have to nerf the entire rest of the game to make 0.0 interesting, I think the issue is in 0.0 not the entire rest of the game

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2011-09-07 08:37:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Jita Alt666 wrote:

Please list, right here, right now, 10 nerfs that have hit the WH community in the last 6 months. (That being the period of time that the current CSM has been active)

I think I have to stop at this point. Not because you have the win argument but because I am repeating myself many times and you still aren't getting what I am saying. X
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
[quote=Jenshae Chiroptera]
Once you get out into null, you'll see why rebalancing should be on the table.


I have already been out there a few times on solo runs. Bubbles are just hell of annoying (that was one of the times I gave up and just hit one to save myself the trip back)

Hey good on you. I'd recommend a stabbed vigil with MWD for exploring, but at least you're getting out there.
Check out the market tab while you're in Wicked Creek by the way.
Jita Alt666
#39 - 2011-09-07 08:39:29 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:

I think I have to stop at this point. Not because you have the win argument but because I am repeating myself many times and you still aren't getting what I am saying. X


You are repeating yourself many times. You are not saying much though.
El'Niaga
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2011-09-07 08:44:18 UTC
Jita Alt666 wrote:
CCP want more players in 0.0.

0.0 players invest more time/energy/real life money than high sec players.
0.0 players create the stories that drive EVE marketing.
0.0 is the defining difference between Eve Online and WOW in space.

Because 0.0 players invest more time/energy/real life money into the game they care more about what happens than other groups. They will ensure CCP hears their voice.



However CCP seems to not understand what brings players to 0.0 nor does the CSM....for example Goons continually tricking people into renting space only to blow them up....that's counterproductive to bringing people out. The fox doesn't kill every chicken in the coop when he comes. He takes the one he needs so that there are more later.

Nerfing High Sec will not bring them.

A single 0.0 system can support a dozen players at a time, and that's the real problem. Until a system can support hundreds of players at one time you'll never see a significant immigration to 0.0. 0.0 today cannot support a fifth of the population that hi sec can.