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New blog: All quiet on the EVE Launcher front?

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Caesar Rae
Perkone
Caldari State
#141 - 2013-03-13 00:02:38 UTC
Oh and as mentioned by earlier posts , if this opens my PC via the downloader to other systems , no thank you.

I believe someone else mentioned how to set the torrent to draw from CCP locations only , as long as there isn't a way to spoof those , sure.


Accan
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#142 - 2013-03-13 00:33:22 UTC
I would like to say thx to CCP Aporia and his team for their hard work on the launcher update / reroll issue , you and the rest of CCP staff that provide a customer service no other game producer / deployer can deliver and thx to you dedicated eve pilots that contribute with the different angels / issues that might be overseen.

This community is vasly unseen but it makes me want to contribute in the best ways i can.

Over and Out
Accan
Accan
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#143 - 2013-03-13 00:42:45 UTC
BigDaddyMcFatSacks wrote:
want nothing to do with bit torrent or anything like that.

If I cant disable it completely and download from EVE servers, well this is where we are gonna part ways after all these years.


From common experienes : There has almost everytime been an option in the download option section to turn off p2p sharing to get the orginal content from the distrubitors servers only, but as stated above p2p sharing is the future to optmize youre download speeds to quicker be able to take part of major (big) updates quicker than to download the patch from one single strained server (CCP) ( CCP might have more servers to distribute the patch but i hope you see my point)
m0v3rs
Dark 0rder.
#144 - 2013-03-13 01:57:30 UTC
Please add the in-game time to the launcher. Big smile
Endeavour Starfleet
#145 - 2013-03-13 02:00:33 UTC
P2P is not the future in the least. As stated before CCP already has distribution networks so that you can get the file from a location near you. The weakness is in the HTTP use for some users.

P2P is going to shave just a tiny tiny tiny amount of bandwidth cost off the total. The benefit from the bittorrent protocol is reliability of the data transferred to prevent corrupted installs.

Steam is the future far more than P2P ever will be.
Rammix
TheMurk
#146 - 2013-03-13 03:33:54 UTC
CCP Guard wrote:
CCP Aporia and friends are working on the launcher and how updates are delivered to your EVE client. Please check out their latest dev blog right here and don't hesitate to launch your comments and questions our way!

Just don't break its usability with WINE (on linux). Please. Blink
Would be very awful if linux users had to reboot to windows just to update EVE. Please, keep this in mind, if possible.

OpenSUSE Leap 42.1, wine >1.9

Covert cyno in highsec: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=296129&find=unread

mybeter
Weyland-Yutani Military Division
#147 - 2013-03-13 08:25:28 UTC
@ CCP Aporia
Are you thinking about an option to backup the Eve client? Things like the folders where the bookmarks are in, overview settings, graphic settings, window positions and such? That would be very nice!
CCP Aporia
C C P
C C P Alliance
#148 - 2013-03-13 10:54:01 UTC
Charadrass wrote:
Quote:
In short and among other things we are working on improving the self-update mechanism for the EVE Launcher, as well as its ability to download and update your EVE client, integration with digital distribution platforms like Steam and support for multi-box and test-client installations.


i'm asking what the Support for multi-box is. because i'm using isboxer and it would be awesome to get more Options.


What we would like to offer is two fold, and could be along these lines:
1) You just have some UI in the launcher where you see the different servers with their versions available and you can get these versions installed parallel to each other.
2) Be able to run the multiple client instances from the same installation.

Vortos Yvormes wrote:
I've only had a few issues with the launcher, but still been able to run the Eve client manually for a time. Downloading the entire (gargantuan) client is a pain, and a poor solution to a simple problem. I don't see why a separate (smaller) launcher download isn't (or perhaps can't be?) available, especially for people who are savvy enough to unpack a zip file and over-write the requisite directory.


This is actually something we plan have happening with this as well. You download a small launcher, which then goes and downloads the big client.

Sodohm wrote:
My only wish is that wont break playing on linux as much as when the launcher was created (which was a shitstorm for us)...

Rammix wrote:
CCP Guard wrote:
CCP Aporia and friends are working on the launcher and how updates are delivered to your EVE client. Please check out their latest dev blog right here and don't hesitate to launch your comments and questions our way!

Just don't break its usability with WINE (on linux). Please. Blink
Would be very awful if linux users had to reboot to windows just to update EVE. Please, keep this in mind, if possible.


No promises because Wine/Linux is not officially supported by us. However, nothing stops you from using the test version we are going to roll out soon and then providing feedback which we may or may not be able to react to. ;-)

m0v3rs wrote:
Please add the in-game time to the launcher. Big smile


That should be easy, added to our backlog.

mybeter wrote:
@ CCP Aporia
Are you thinking about an option to backup the Eve client? Things like the folders where the bookmarks are in, overview settings, graphic settings, window positions and such? That would be very nice!


Not directly, no. We do however have ideas for improving the cache and settings storage used by the EVE client. More details will follow as they become available.

Friend of walking avatars, currently hibernating until he gets to open that door.

CCP Atropos
C C P
C C P Alliance
#149 - 2013-03-13 11:14:25 UTC
BigDaddyMcFatSacks wrote:
want nothing to do with bit torrent or anything like that.

If I cant disable it completely and download from EVE servers, well this is where we are gonna part ways after all these years.

Can you elaborate on why you don't want to be part of it. We can't account for this response if it's just "because".
Hannott Thanos
Notorious Legion
SCRUBS.
#150 - 2013-03-13 11:20:29 UTC
Quote:

i'm asking what the Support for multi-box is. because i'm using isboxer and it would be awesome to get more Options.
Quote:

What we would like to offer is two fold, and could be along these lines:
2) Be able to run the multiple client instances from the same installation.



What do you mean by this? I only have one installation of Eve, and I run 3 clients at once from that install.
1: Run launcher.
2: Press Play.
3: Wait for Play button to become yellow again
4: Press Play to open another instance of Eve

while (CurrentSelectedTarget.Status == ShipStatus.Alive) {

     _myShip.FireAllGuns(CurrentSelectedTarget);

}

Phext
SIGBUS
#151 - 2013-03-13 11:56:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Phext
CCP Aporia wrote:
Sarmatiko wrote:
And what about Launcher 1.4x with integrated login/advanced client settings? This has been used on Serenity for some time but there is no plans to use it on TQ anymore?


This is currently on ice until we are done with more pressing aspects. Eventually we would like to see the launcher managing all your EVE installations and no longer have the "one launcher per installation" as it currently is the case.


Why force players to have more than one installation at all? Launcher should be able to manage profiles for different Accounts.

Edit: As CCP Aporia mentioned it's on the list: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2738931#post2738931

:wq!

Hannott Thanos
Notorious Legion
SCRUBS.
#152 - 2013-03-13 12:09:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Hannott Thanos
Am I the only one running several instances of eve from the same installation and launcher??
Or are we talking about running TQ and Sisi from the same launcher? I has confuse...

while (CurrentSelectedTarget.Status == ShipStatus.Alive) {

     _myShip.FireAllGuns(CurrentSelectedTarget);

}

Claire Raynor
NovaGear
#153 - 2013-03-13 12:56:52 UTC
I'm wondering about the above two posts - I use two machines using Synergi and run two instances on each machine. All I'd want was something that could maybe allow me to get a profile - as I always have to do graphics settings to aim one instance on each machine at the other monitor.

I assume the Dev is talking about different installations for maybe the Live and Test servers?
Red Frog Rufen
Red Frog Freight
Red-Frog
#154 - 2013-03-13 13:18:24 UTC
CCP Aporia wrote:

2) Be able to run the multiple client instances from the same installation.


are you talking about different server? (TQ + Sisi + Duality?)

Because I don't even use the launcher to play the game, and I pop up multiple instances of TQ with a single installation.

Scaugh
Bank Robbers
#155 - 2013-03-13 13:28:50 UTC
CCP Aporia wrote:
Scaugh wrote:
is there any information on what additional/extra bandwith useage we should be expecting with these changes. I'm on a fairly limited data package as it is, with large charges for execeeding it.

I know any answer would probably be dependant on hours played but surely with a change like this you have some sort of calcuations done (even if its on your ownserver side).


So, because of the way we are changing things the amount of data downloaded for a fresh client install is round about 11 GB. This is roughly double the amount of the current installer, but this should only be happening if you have absolutely no files installed, or everything in your installation is corrupted our outdated. Since you already have an installation then this case should be of no immediate concern to you.

From measuring the differences of 13 EVE client updates we ended up with the smallest patch size being about 9 MB and the largest 2.4 GB. The extra bandwidth on your end that might be opposed by seeding files depends upon the speed at which you seed. A simple calculation: If you upload at 1/10th of the speed you are downloading, and the client update is 2 GB, then the extra bandwidth is pretty much 200 MB.

Hope this helps. :-)



200mb of a difference seems reasonable enough. Thank you for the reply.
Phext
SIGBUS
#156 - 2013-03-13 13:38:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Phext
Hannott Thanos wrote:
Am I the only one running several instances of eve from the same installation and launcher??
Or are we talking about running TQ and Sisi from the same launcher? I has confuse...


Multiple instances running from a single installation are sharing Client Cache and Client Settings which is not always desired or may lead to confusing results.

Masterplan should be one launcher handling a installation for Tranquility with profiles for client startup with different settings. I would like to see the ability to create a new profile based on an existing one. Singularity and other Test-Environments should be handled by this single launcher also. Deltas should be placed in a subfolder of main installation.

One launcher to rule them all, so to speak.

:wq!

Phext
SIGBUS
#157 - 2013-03-13 14:11:10 UTC
CCP Atropos wrote:
BigDaddyMcFatSacks wrote:
want nothing to do with bit torrent or anything like that.

If I cant disable it completely and download from EVE servers, well this is where we are gonna part ways after all these years.

Can you elaborate on why you don't want to be part of it. We can't account for this response if it's just "because".


Can't speak for BigDaddyMcFatSacks. I'm usually downloading huge things at night using wget or curl on a tiny gateway box for several reasons. One reason is that running the power hungry main client waiting forever to get several GB through a 2Mbit downstream is not very efficient. Nearly everyone has NAS Devices with download managers for tasks like that. Lightweight setup executables downloading everything after they have been doubleklicked or using there own PtP mechanism are not always the best choice (from users perspective)

That said, having a full client install available has advantages. i.e. If you want to install it on more than one physical machine or - for whatever reason - reinstall OS etc. very often and if copying a installation from one machine to another - or from a backup to your shiny new OS installation isn't possible due to technical limitations / copy protection and whatnot. Admitted that copy protection isn't an issue at EO.

:wq!

Caesar Rae
Perkone
Caldari State
#158 - 2013-03-13 14:14:38 UTC
CCP Atropos wrote:
BigDaddyMcFatSacks wrote:
want nothing to do with bit torrent or anything like that.

If I cant disable it completely and download from EVE servers, well this is where we are gonna part ways after all these years.

Can you elaborate on why you don't want to be part of it. We can't account for this response if it's just "because".



My Posts earlier may be of help. . .

"Oh and as mentioned by earlier posts , if this opens my PC via the downloader to other systems , no thank you.

I believe someone else mentioned how to set the torrent to draw from CCP locations only , as long as there isn't a way to spoof those , sure. "


I also included another showing AT&T out there monitoring the Torrent ports as part of the idiotic plan by the "thought Police" to "prevent" piracy of copyrighted materials.

Red Frog Rufen
Red Frog Freight
Red-Frog
#159 - 2013-03-13 14:28:27 UTC
Phext wrote:
Hannott Thanos wrote:
Am I the only one running several instances of eve from the same installation and launcher??
Or are we talking about running TQ and Sisi from the same launcher? I has confuse...


Multiple instances running from a single installation are sharing Client Cache and Client Settings which is not always desired or may lead to confusing results.


I guess it depends on everyone, but I like my settings shared!

beside the settings and browser favorite, there isn't a lot of things shared tho. (and never had any problem with 7-8 clients running at the same time)
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#160 - 2013-03-13 15:30:36 UTC
Phext wrote:
Hannott Thanos wrote:
Am I the only one running several instances of eve from the same installation and launcher??
Or are we talking about running TQ and Sisi from the same launcher? I has confuse...


Multiple instances running from a single installation are sharing Client Cache and Client Settings which is not always desired or may lead to confusing results.

Masterplan should be one launcher handling a installation for Tranquility with profiles for client startup with different settings. I would like to see the ability to create a new profile based on an existing one. Singularity and other Test-Environments should be handled by this single launcher also. Deltas should be placed in a subfolder of main installation.

One launcher to rule them all, so to speak.



While it's not perfect, if you junction your install, you can have multiple 'installs' taking up no additional space and requiring updated only once. And it maintains settings based on where you started it from, so each junction is a new install.

(look at the wiki page on multiple clients for instructions)

I use this to maintain 4 sets of settings. fixed windowed on each of the three screens, and one across all of them.

Woo! CSM XI!

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